Khas 12,158 Posted February 24, 2011 Actually, this topic was addressed back in 1999 in Star Trek: The Magazine, where it said that the Galaxy X-class E-D was from an alternate universe/timeline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul 11,988 Posted February 24, 2011 Actually, this topic was addressed back in 1999 in Star Trek: The Magazine, where it said that the Galaxy X-class E-D was from an alternate universe/timeline. but as it's been already stated he's not debating the alternate timeline theory he's trying to paint a picture of how it's feesable in prime ST canon to be available. Anyways as Khas stated before, the hull itself said NCC-1701-D. Sorry bub that kinda seals the deal that it's a gone ship. They wouldn't retrofit a saucer section that was pretty well smashed to bits when troi and riker decided they hated the ship and crashed it into the planet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praeothmin 532 Posted February 24, 2011 That's how much they love him. Or they knew he was just that awesome, and could kick ass with an old Buick Skylark outfitted with a warp drive. Really? Then why the hell didn't he kick the ass of a 40 year old Klingon ship with the Federation's flagship in GEN? Why the hell didn't he open fire with every-fucking weapon they had on the derelict piece of shit that the Duras sisters were using? I really liked Riker up until that moment, and I think the E-D's death in that instance is just like Darth Maul's: Stupid, useless, and full of "wtf"... What could have been awesome became shitty, period... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul 11,988 Posted February 24, 2011 Really? Then why the hell didn't he kick the ass of a 40 year old Klingon ship with the Federation's flagship in GEN? Why the hell didn't he open fire with every-fucking weapon they had on the derelict piece of shit that the Duras sisters were using? I really liked Riker up until that moment, and I think the E-D's death in that instance is just like Darth Maul's: Stupid, useless, and full of "wtf"... What could have been awesome became shitty, period... The ship was obviously upgraded with latest shields, disruptors etc but the internal systems (power, plasma conduits etc) were the same. With the enterprise being severely pummeled and with children on board, I'd assume Rikers first thought was holy crap lets get the frack outta here, then boom to warp drive so he said fuck it and fired away. Also it was obviously a "show" battle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 24, 2011 Economic? They couldn't afford paint but could afford building a ship over a wrecked saucer? It is not economically feasible to take the saucer section off planet, rebuild it since it was greatly damaged and since it no longer had the SIF online, the saucer section would have to deal with it's weight in an Earth type gravity. It would have been cheaper just to build one from scratch. Just like it would be cheaper to buy a another car than to fix one that half of it is destroyed and the other half is badly damaged. The E-D's saucer section is good for two things, reclamation or as a museum piece. As for the TNG's final episode, even there supports the multiverse theory as the later versions of themselves did not know of anything that had happened previously except for Picard and Q. Another possible political the fact Klingon and UFP peace treaty before it fell part had strict limit amount new starship that could build a year. Rebuild stardrive might not count for another starship as long it replace stardrive starship that lost in battle as long saucer section was not destory. While build another starship totle new Galaxy class starship might had count another new build starship. Maybe KLingon also starship seperation into differnt starship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma 521 Posted February 24, 2011 Another possible political the fact Klingon and UFP peace treaty before it fell part had strict limit amount new starship that could build a year. Rebuild stardrive might not count for another starship as long it replace stardrive starship that lost in battle as long saucer section was not destory. While build another starship totle new Galaxy class starship might had count another new build starship. Maybe KLingon also starship seperation into differnt starship. Maybe this or possible that..... you are talking out of your ass. Each timleline was not aware of events happening in the previous Enterprises. Ent-D-X had no knowledge of the events that was happening with the current Ent-D, nor did the current Ent-D knew what had happened a few years previous. Multiverse, Jason. Repeat after me, multiverse. M.U.L.T.I.V.E.R.S.E. What does that spell? A kick to the head, that's what it spells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praeothmin 532 Posted February 24, 2011 The ship was obviously upgraded with latest shields, disruptors etc but the internal systems (power, plasma conduits etc) were the same. With the enterprise being severely pummeled and with children on board, I'd assume Rikers first thought was holy crap lets get the frack outta here, then boom to warp drive so he said fuck it and fired away. Also it was obviously a "show" battle But that's the problem, they didn't run away, go to Warp directly, or get the hell out of dodge. They started moving away, Riker noticed the shields were being penetrated easily, and instead of doing a repeat of the Dowd fight (Full Photorp spread, full Phaser spread), he had Worf fire 1 fucking Torp, and that was it... There's no excuse, none, nada... He was an idiot, acted like an idiot, and lost the ship like an idiot... Instead of: "Does anyone have any suggestions?" Worf:"Yes Sir, I propose we fire the fuck outta our ship's weapons and blow those bitches to hell!" He stood like a moron and let the ship get pounded... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor_Dahar_Master 0 Posted February 24, 2011 But that's the problem, they didn't run away, go to Warp directly, or get the hell out of dodge. They started moving away, Riker noticed the shields were being penetrated easily, and instead of doing a repeat of the Dowd fight (Full Photorp spread, full Phaser spread), he had Worf fire 1 fucking Torp, and that was it... There's no excuse, none, nada... He was an idiot, acted like an idiot, and lost the ship like an idiot... Instead of: "Does anyone have any suggestions?" Worf:"Yes Sir, I propose we fire the fuck outta our ship's weapons and blow those bitches to hell!" He stood like a moron and let the ship get pounded... Agreed, even with shields down the E-D should have kicked the shit out of that BOP with a few shots, it was a moment of moronic history for the writers. I mean what was stopping them from giving the sisters a Vorcha and entertaining us with a longer battle where the cloak trick against in a shielded vorcha VS a unshielded E-D would have been cooler, or even a pimped K'tinga (simular to the excelsior refit).. So many options and they chose the most retarded... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 25, 2011 It said "NCC-1701-D" on the saucer section. That hardly strong piece evidence by way saw that During Battle of Cardassia the Starship had the name USS Defiant paint on it. Watch this video form 1 minute 25 seconds to about 1 minute 44 secounds. Fact is unless you sugestion Sisko spend great deal time paint new name starship about go war fact that explain fact just plain cheap one come studios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 25, 2011 It said "NCC-1701-D" on the saucer section. Fact had NCC-1701-D hardly strong piece evidence. We saw that During Battle of Cardassia the Starship had the name USS Defiant paint on it. Watch this video form 1 minute 25 seconds to about 1 minute 44 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwQKWUkrLg&feature=related Fact is unless you suggestion Sisko spend great deal time paint new name starship about go war fact that explain fact just plain cheap one come studios. Just had starfleet permission rename the ship spend hour repair crew time need paint new name a ship. Special getting ready major war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul 11,988 Posted February 25, 2011 Seriously? I'm not going to dig it up but watch the third episode from the last in Series 7. Unless you considering the 2 parter 1 episode then it's the second to last but anywho -- they get the USS San Paulo but by special dispensation, the San Paulo was renamed to the USS Defiant. It was also a matter of pride to Sisko and the rest of the crew. As is apparent as Julian says he hates the carpet, Admiral Ross says there's something else on the PADD and Sisko reads that it's renamed to the Defiant and everyone smiles . The REASON it wasn't the USS Defiant A was because the Defiant was previously an NX version. Meaning it wasn't apart of the normal ship line. However cheap or not from the studio is a moot point. They would not just magically revitalize the saucer section of the Enterprise D, (even though by this time E and F would of been created) and relabeled it the 1701-D for shits and giggles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 27, 2011 Seriously? I'm not going to dig it up but watch the third episode from the last in Series 7. Unless you considering the 2 parter 1 episode then it's the second to last but anywho -- they get the USS San Paulo but by special dispensation, the San Paulo was renamed to the USS Defiant. It was also a matter of pride to Sisko and the rest of the crew. As is apparent as Julian says he hates the carpet, Admiral Ross says there's something else on the PADD and Sisko reads that it's renamed to the Defiant and everyone smiles . The REASON it wasn't the USS Defiant A was because the Defiant was previously an NX version. Meaning it wasn't apart of the normal ship line. However cheap or not from the studio is a moot point. They would not just magically revitalize the saucer section of the Enterprise D, (even though by this time E and F would of been created) and relabeled it the 1701-D for shits and giggles. Another possible they not have time repaint it point middle heavy war between Klingon Empire and UFP. UFP need massive number of starship and fast to. They not spend the time to repaint a starship when other important thing to do. It possible they had USS Enterprise A fight in Dominion war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhanjRho 0 Posted February 27, 2011 yes, because using a ship that was out of date well over half a century ago during wartime is good practice. And also, refurbishing heavily damaged starships is more economical during peacetime than wartime. In time of war, repair facilities are going to jam-packed, while starship production lines are going to be pushing out ships as fast as they can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted February 27, 2011 yes, because using a ship that was out of date well over half a century ago during wartime is good practice. And also, refurbishing heavily damaged starships is more economical during peacetime than wartime. In time of war, repair facilities are going to jam-packed, while starship production lines are going to be pushing out ships as fast as they can. Wait.... you're trying to argue LOGIC with Jason? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma 521 Posted February 27, 2011 yes, because using a ship that was out of date well over half a century ago during wartime is good practice. And also, refurbishing heavily damaged starships is more economical during peacetime than wartime. In time of war, repair facilities are going to jam-packed, while starship production lines are going to be pushing out ships as fast as they can. Even in peacetime, fixing up the E-D would be too expensive since it doesn't have a stardrive and they'd have to pull the saucer into space after they have it inspected to see if the saucer's *chassis* (I forgot what you'd call the 'skeleton' of a ship) isn't too damaged from the crash landing and then tow it to drydock, *THEN* begin stripping it down to the bones before rebuilding it. You'd still have to build a new stardrive. Time and money could be better spent building a new GCS from scrap with whatever parts that can be salvaged from the saucer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted February 27, 2011 Plus, why the hell would they want to do it anyway? There isn't any point. There is no practical reason to refurbish that saucer section, except as a museum piece. It's like the people that want NASA to take the Enterprise out of storage and retrofit it to use as a new shuttle. It's not cost effective, and it's pointless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma 521 Posted February 27, 2011 Plus, why the hell would they want to do it anyway? There isn't any point. There is no practical reason to refurbish that saucer section, except as a museum piece. It's like the people that want NASA to take the Enterprise out of storage and retrofit it to use as a new shuttle. It's not cost effective, and it's pointless. Precisely. The saucer section crashed on a planet is like one half of a battleship obliterated and the other half on the bottom of the ocean. Not worth the time an effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 27, 2011 yes, because using a ship that was out of date well over half a century ago during wartime is good practice. And also, refurbishing heavily damaged starships is more economical during peacetime than wartime. In time of war, repair facilities are going to jam-packed, while starship production lines are going to be pushing out ships as fast as they can. UFP during Dominion war throw piece damage starship together to make new starships as fast possible. Here a example. So It must likely the UFP build star-drive and then and repair USS Enterprise D saucer section as way getting warship readily battle in middle major war. Special possible easily beam off surface of that planet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma 521 Posted February 27, 2011 Gibberish. Let me reply by saying, Jason, you are an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul 11,988 Posted February 27, 2011 UFP during Dominion war throw piece damage starship together to make new starships as fast possible. Here a example. So It must likely the UFP build star-drive and then and repair USS Enterprise D saucer section as way getting warship readily battle in middle major war. Special possible easily beam off surface of that planet. Ignoring the slight issue with beaming an entire saucer section off a planet being impossible, The USS Centuar was designed that way. It never had any "pieces" glued onto it. Sorry bud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Ignoring the slight issue with beaming an entire saucer section off a planet being impossible, The USS Centuar was designed that way. It never had any "pieces" glued onto it. Sorry bud. Stronger evidence for this theory fact UFP store piece ship damage beyond repair or decommission ships for spare parts and perhaps but action need. My link Why UFP storing all these part starship damage beyond repair if they could not possible used future. Also Fact that Constitution class starship able go up to warp 8My link While Centaur class is able to get up to warp 7. My link Unless you suggesting that UFP took starship out reserve and downgrade warp drive for some reason interest hearing about. Also Sisko able to disable Centaur class starship weapon system single shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khas 12,158 Posted February 28, 2011 Maybe so they can sell the ships on the civillian market? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Maybe so they can sell the ships on the civillian market? No the UFP in another time-line had a Defiant class starship reserve fleet after it decommission. Showing UFP does stored starship after they decommission. Also the USS Enterpise D want to investigate who stealing form ship graveyard see as security threat. If UFP planing selling ship hulls anyway the USS Enterprise D crew most likely not see as high security threat. They intend save the ship latter us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul 11,988 Posted February 28, 2011 Stronger evidence for this theory fact UFP store piece ship damage beyond repair or decommission ships for spare parts and perhaps but action need. My link Why UFP storing all these part starship damage beyond repair if they could not possible used future. Also Fact that Constitution class starship able go up to warp 8My link While Centaur class is able to get up to warp 7. My link Unless you suggesting that UFP took starship out reserve and downgrade warp drive for some reason interest hearing about. Also Sisko able to disable Centaur class starship weapon system single shot. Because people in the UFP collected the derelict ships for their raw materials to sell? DUH. And yes, some people would buy scrapped ships for personal use. Starfleet was never seen doing this nor would. As for the reason why a constitution class starship (all decommissioned by the 24th century mind you) could go warp 8 while the centaur can only go warp 7 - The observed maximum speed was warp 7 however most likely they can do warp 9 by pushing their engines. It's also based on size of the hull, size of the warp core etc. This was also seen by the Nova Class which was a small science vessel only capable of warp 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted March 1, 2011 Because people in the UFP collected the derelict ships for their raw materials to sell? DUH. And yes, some people would buy scrapped ships for personal use. Starfleet was never seen doing this nor would. As for the reason why a constitution class starship (all decommissioned by the 24th century mind you) could go warp 8 while the centaur can only go warp 7 - The observed maximum speed was warp 7 however most likely they can do warp 9 by pushing their engines. It's also based on size of the hull, size of the warp core etc. This was also seen by the Nova Class which was a small science vessel only capable of warp 8. That unlikely fact is Jem Harder attack fighter is faster then Centaur class starship. When Doctor ask" do you think he able to out run them. Sisko said" he been tight spot before sound little scared. Suggestion that Jem Harder fighter lot faster then the Centaur class starship even at top speed.If wish see evidence watch video form 4 seconds to about 14 secounds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_fBT0ZP2Ks&feature=related So unless you are suggesting USS Centaur not going top speed escape the Jem harder attack fighters then. The max speed seen Jem harder fighter just a little over warp 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
