Domimon vrs Star War Empire

[Questor 501]

The Rolulan warship run some artificial mirco black hole generation power. Star War Empire and the UFP depend mix normal matter with either hypermatter or ant matter. Also the star war Empire and UFP main power generation can turn off Romulan star Empire power generation can not be.

 

 

 

Oh, the "you have no idea what you're talking about" way. Now I get it.

[enigma 521]

Oh, the "you have no idea what you're talking about" way. Now I get it.

 

 

 

Jason clarified when he said that the Empire and the UFP uses solid matter to annihilate ant matter. Just picture now an ISD or a Sovereign\Galaxy\Intrepid\whatever class starship being powered by a bunch of guys and gals annihilating ants by stomping on them.

 

 

 

"Captain Dildo to Engineering"

 

 

 

"Engineering here."

 

 

 

"I need more power."

 

 

 

"Aye, sir!"

 

 

 

Turning to the stompers, "You heard'im folks! Let's pick up the pace!"

 

 

 

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[Jason 27]

Will at least UFP starships and Empire depend creative enengy day basic need fuel. Rumulan warbird does not need fuel.

[Questor 501]

WOW...

 

 

 

Conservation of Energy fail...

[Jason 27]

There is no indication that hypermatter is fused with normal matter. And while we're at it, Matter/Antimatter reactions are "annihilation" reactions, not "fusion" reactions.

 

It have been mix with normal matter or to explode. Other wise how else would it make power.

[enigma 521]

It have been mix with normal matter or to explode. Other wise how else would it make power.

 

There are lots of ways to produce power, shitlick. But this is science fiction therefore they can say whatever they want as energy sources.

[Questor 501]

It have been mix with normal matter or to explode. Other wise how else would it make power.

 

 

 

[Praeothmin 532]

Are you guys still debating this?

 

Dominion loses, DS uses Hypermatter fusion and blows up planets, and SW and ST are fun to watch...

[InvaderSkooj 1]

. Rumulan warbird does not need fuel.

You have to feed the black hole something or it wont give off any energy

[Jason 27]

Are you guys still debating this?

 

Dominion loses, DS uses Hypermatter fusion and blows up planets, and SW and ST are fun to watch...

 

The Domimion with fleet bug ship capture the Death star and then us against Empire.

[enigma 521]

The Domimion with fleet bug ship capture the Death star and then us against Empire.

 

 

 

And then you wake up, realizing that you are terminally stupid.

[Tyralak 12,068]

There are lots of ways to produce power, shitlick. But this is science fiction therefore they can say whatever they want as energy sources.

 

 

 

That, I actually agree with. Stuff is usually just pulled out of the writer's asses. Just add "hyper" to anything (or "iso", in ST's case) and there ya go!

[Praeothmin 532]

So would an official ST vs SW cross-over see the introduction of Hyper-Iso-ton M/AM warheads?

[enigma 521]

Found out that the ISDs DO use hypermatter. In fact, use of hypermatter isn't all that rare. The hyperdrive rings on the Clone War era fighters used hypermatter. So do many of the large warships like the VSD, ISD, ISD2 and so forth.

 

 

 

The ISD2 that was vapourised by a malfunctioning hypermatter reactor because said reactor was some kind of prototype. So ISDs do use hypermatter, which Wookieepedia states came from hyperspace.

[Khas 12,158]

Only the ICS states that. The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels says that they use a Solar Ionization reactor.

[paul 11,988]

And thus begins a whole new debate...

 

 

 

(As in don't drag a ISD does or doesn't use hypermatter into this topic unless it actually has some relevance).

[paul 11,988]

Thread cleaned up of the Hyper vs whatever shit crap.

 

 

 

That's not a SW vs ST battle nor is it relevant to this thread. Keep it in the new thread in the SW only area.

[Jason 27]

Thread cleaned up of the Hyper vs whatever shit crap.

 

 

 

That's not a SW vs ST battle nor is it relevant to this thread. Keep it in the new thread in the SW only area.

 

Not entirely at least argument that the Breen energy damping weapon work against the ISD has to do if Hyberdrive more smiler the UFP main warp drive then the Romulan power generations total in the ground SW VS ST and major factor perhaps even out come war. If is more similar to UFP warp drive then Roluman star empire singularity drive then most work not then goes higher debate.

[Mith 0]

Since when does Jem'Hadar attack bugs equal to asteroids?

 

 

 

I agree, they'd easily exceed.

 

 

 

What proof do you have that their battleships are superior to ISDs?

 

 

 

To start? The Empire's highest canon display of firepower shows us that they can't effortlessly vaporize an asteroid field and that said asteroids make not only effective shields when fighting, but that asteroid fields pose a threat to ships in general, as was the case with Empire Strikes Back.

 

 

 

As poorly debate capable as Jason is, he is correct in this matter.

 

 

 

ISDs have many, many turbolasers, blasters and ion cannons that can be fired at the same time. Can those JH battleships absorb dozens upon dozens of weapons fire from a single ISD let alone two or three?

 

 

 

So your argument that ISDs are superior is because they have tons of guns? So what? Look at modern navy designs today. After World War II, which showed the US using ships with dozens of gun barrels, we switched to having at most, half a dozen guns--most of which are only designed for defensive measure and one or two for bombardment.

 

 

 

If anything, the Empire's gun crazy design is a step back from modern warfare, not a step forward.

 

 

 

Besides, if the Empire decided to invade then that would mean that they've made plans and prepared accordingly. Building more ships, training more Stormtroopers as to not affect their operations in their galaxy.

 

 

 

The Empire is stretched out badly enough due to rebellion from their own people. Making war against anyone, including the Federation or the Klingon Empire would be risk their entire house of cards. Waring with the Dominion ensures it. Even Starfleet, with far far more advanced sensor technology couldn't snoop out Changling infiltrators. And yes, they do have telepaths and empaths, so Vader isn't going to be a miracle shot.

 

 

 

Another thing, why would the Empire even need to invade the Dominion just for the cloning tech? I'm quite sure the Empire would prefer a non violent method such as buying the technology or even a tech trade. Both empires would gain without needlessly shedding blood.

 

 

 

 

...You're shitting me, right? The Empire will invade because Palpatine will view the Dominion as a threat. The Dominion will invade because they view the Empire as a threat. For fuck's sake dude, they invaded the Federation, who are renown for peace and exploration. They even stay out of other people's business. Yet the Dominion invaded them all the same.

 

 

 

Gibberish, complete Gibberish,Jason.

 

 

 

Because it took a JH battleship ten minutes to destroy a measly Defiant class ship means it is equal to a Star Destroyer? Stop drinking your piss. It is messing with your head.

 

 

 

That 'measly' Defiant class ships has an armament excess of current Earth. I hardly call that 'measly'.

 

 

 

personally believe that once both empires are aware of each other, they'll both find something they like and will at first make a diplomatic contact and try to achieve their goals without resorting to violence.

 

 

 

Why in God's name do you actually believe that?

 

 

 

The Empire will not wage an expensive war for a cloning tech when they have their own AND their got trillions and trillions of people to draw from for their war efforts.

 

 

 

The trillions and trillions that they never use or are mentioned. Why? Because the population doesn't want to wage war. It's pretty obvious given that the Old Republic was so against forming their own standing army that they all abhor warfare (somehow). The only time we see the actual population get involved is when their own planet is on the line. They don't care about anything else.

 

 

 

And unlike the rest of the stooges that made up the Old Republic's Senate, the Dominion is actually politically capable. They're not going to threaten planets; they're going to offer them things like food, medicine, and protection. And we all saw in the Old Republic lush, green planets had starving populations.

 

 

 

 

 

Palpatine would not ally himself with them since they are aliens and thus scum. If the Emperor wanted the Dominion's cloning tech, he wouldn't just storm the Dominion and snatch it. He's smart enough to know that sometimes it is best to hold one's nose and be nice and try to either buy the tech or do some sort of tech swap.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, even if we were to believe that the Emperor would be willing to wait, the Dominion won't and they're exceptionally xenophobic. That was a rather large part of their persona throughout all of DS9. How this has suddenly vanished according to you is beyond me. The Dominion is only going to use that time to planet their spies throughout the galaxy.

 

 

 

But in this scenario, in order for Palpatine to invade an alien empire from another galaxy even if access was through a portal\wormhole\my asshole, he's going to make plans, send spies and ramp up ship production and troop cloning or recruiting. This is if he plans on waging a war with the Dominion without depriving ships in his galaxy.

 

 

 

I doubt spies will be all that effective. The Dominion is pretty good in the espionage department and the Empire...the Empire is not. If they had been as remotely competent as you seem to think they are, then they wouldn't have been relying upon searching the entire galaxy for the Rebels.

 

 

 

Second, the Empire was stretched badly enough before this. When open rebellion started, they couldn't even spare the ships to shut down the Mon Calamari, despite it being a literal drop in the bucket of their fleet. As in, less than one percent if I remember correctly.

 

 

 

 

 

If his spies\probe droids come back with info regarding ship count and their capbilities then ship production would be adjusted accordingly.

 

 

 

Their probe droids suck dragonballs. The Rebels, with inferior sensor technology, were able to detect the thing landing. Those probe droids would be shot out of orbit before they even land.

 

 

 

The Empire does not necessarily need to go into fleet battles to win the war, just send enough ships to enough planets to cripple the Dominion into surrendering their cloning tech. Remember, Jason OP makes no mention as to who will win in an all out war but will the Empire be able to succeed in getting the cloning tech. Strike cloning facilities and grab the necessary equipment and data and head back home.

 

 

 

 

Why on God's green Earth would the Dominion surrender one of their largest advantages? It's simply absurd. Nor does the Dominion actually care if you bomb a few of their member worlds. Because more than one of them are unwilling member of the Dominion. Of course, that won't stop them from using it as a political tool against the Empire even as they dismantle the fleet that attacked them.

 

 

 

And you seem to be assuming that the Empire will succeed in this. Do you honestly think this is the first time someone's tried that? Ie, the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar tried that. The Dominion knew about it thanks to their changling operatives and turned it into a trap to cripple both agencies. Both of which were far more competent than any Imperial group has shown itself to be.