How come the Empire has no defenseless against Ion Cannon?

[Jason 27]

See that Ion Cannon has been around for nearly centery in Star Wars Univerce no defense againist Ion Cannon.

[Questor 501]

See that Ion Cannon has been around for nearly centery in Star Wars Univerce no defense againist Ion Cannon.

 

 

 

Perhaps there is no defense against it that is practical?

 

 

 

How come the US military doesn't have a defense against shaped charge ATGMs?

[InvaderSkooj 1]

How come starfleet doesnt have protection against warpcore breaches and antimatter explosions, they've used antimatter for 200+years

[Jason 27]

Israel come up defense againist ATGMs come to deal with weapons thier tanks. Starfleet command number ways deal warpcore breachs incould enject the core it self. No one in Star Wars Univerce has any real defense againist the Ion Cannon. In Star War univerce no devolpment any real mean stop it.

[Questor 501]

Israel come up defense againist ATGMs come to deal with weapons thier tanks. Starfleet command number ways deal warpcore breachs incould enject the core it self. No one in Star Wars Univerce has any real defense againist the Ion Cannon. In Star War univerce no devolpment any real mean stop it.

 

 

 

Really? They have a successful, deployable, scaleable defense against ATGMs?

 

 

 

Which tank is it deployed on?

 

 

 

Or are you a fucking moron who thinks that a defense against an RPG is the same as a defense against a modern ATGM?

[Tyralak 12,068]

It is true that there isn't any known defense for an Ion weapon. In fact, the book that my sons insist I read to them every night makes that quite clear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, to be fair to the other side, we don't see large scale use of ion weapons in Trek either. So, it would be really hard to spin this to a Trek advantage. Unless, of course, Ion weapons become commonplace in future series'.

[Jason 27]

Starfleet has defense againist the ion cannon

 

You want learn about Israel defensive againist ATGMs being used againist thier tanks here link to it My link

 

That breen Weapon did the same thing to a starship that ion cannon does to starship and the UFP over came that weapon very fast.

[Khas 12,158]

There's no way to know if the Breen Energy Dissipator was an Ion Cannon or not. Once again, you're just making yourself into an idiot, Jason.

[Praeothmin 532]

There's no way to know if the Breen Energy Dissipator was an Ion Cannon or not.

 

 

 

Although they do behave in a similar manner.

 

After being shot by either type of weapon, all electrical systems on a ship ceases to function in a violent spark of what one can assume to be electricity...

 

The modification that allowed the old klingon ship to survice may have simply been a ground wire connected to the frame of the ship...

[InvaderSkooj 1]

Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either, and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail

[Praeothmin 532]

Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either

 

 

 

Except, as those people arguing against the Borg adapting to Turbolaser keep repeating over and over (and I actually agree with them):

 

"There's a limit to adaptation, and when the limit has been surpassed, then bye bye Borg!"

 

In other words, those Ion storms against which ST and SW ships are vulnerable are surely more powerful then puny "man-made" cannons...

 

Take a real world example of a capacitor.

 

If you run voltage through it below its limit, it will simply charge, and when that charge is done, it will let current pass.

 

If you run a higher voltage then its capacity to resist, then "Boom"...

 

 

 

That being said, I only stated that they behaved in a similar manner, but just like the thread where we both discussed Phasers and SW Disruptors, their can be valid arguments for both views: same weapon or not...

 

 

 

I was responding to the comment made by Khas that there was no way to know if these weapons were the same.

 

I'm just saying we can try using observed effects and descriptions...

 

 

 

and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail

 

 

 

Hhhmmm... They go boom?

[Tyralak 12,068]

But have we actually ever seen a warp core lose containment due to a power failure? We've seen plenty of total power failures, but I don't recall one leading to a warp core going boom. It would make sense that the power to the containment field was generated by the very antimatter it was containing.

[Jason 27]

Breen enegery weapon just disable the Defiant the Breen many weapon destory her. How Breen Energy Dissipator weapon is a ion cannon in practice.

[Jason 27]

So we talking about weapon systoms been around for more 4,000 years no one design defense againist it. We used not have any way protect ourselves from bullets have something call ristience armor now.

[enigma 521]

So we talking about weapon systoms been around for more 4,000 years no one design defense againist it. We used not have any way protect ourselves from bullets have something call ristience armor now.

 

 

 

Where are you getting the 4000 years from? Even if it is true that means squat since the UFP existed for maybe 200 years.

[Khas 12,158]

Wait a minute, Jason says that the Empire has no "defenseless" against an ion cannon. That means they aren't defenseless against them. Which means that those defenses exist somewhere...

 

 

 

At least, that's what using logic when reading this topic title would lead you to.

[Tyralak 12,068]

Your mistake is trying to apply logic to Jason.

[Jason 27]

Comics are cannon for star wars.

 

Read this

 

Outside the walls of Iziz, both Gobee and Modon Kira received orders from Oron to begin the counterstrike. As Kira attempted to make his own departure from the palace, Gobee led his wings of Beast Riders in an aerial assault on both the north and eastern walls of Iziz,[3] while Modon's forces advanced in boma-mounted ground formation.[4] Their attack was met with turbolaser and ion cannon resistanceLook date this going on 4,000 BBYMy link Battle at Hoth system, 3ABY.http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Hoth. That long time not to be able design any defense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

defense

[Praeothmin 532]

Your mistake is Jason.

 

 

 

Corrected it for you, Tyralak...

[Khas 12,158]

Wait, that's saying my mistake is Jason. How royal was my screw-up that Jason formed?

 

 

 

And more importantly, what was my screw-up?

[Tyralak 12,068]

Comics are cannon for star wars.

 

 

 

They are, but in the convoluted pantheon of SW canon, they're way way down on the list. Actually, the book I showed earlier in the thread actually counts as EU, and comics are below that.

[Jason 27]

Even so no cannon evidence books to suggestion that it has not been around long over ride comic so it evidence still strong.

[Mith 0]

Although they do behave in a similar manner.

 

After being shot by either type of weapon, all electrical systems on a ship ceases to function in a violent spark of what one can assume to be electricity...

 

The modification that allowed the old klingon ship to survice may have simply been a ground wire connected to the frame of the ship...

 

 

 

There's a major difference.

 

 

 

Breen Energy Dampening Weapon

 

This is basically a weaponized verson of what we see throughout the later part of a franchise. Basically, a dampening field acts as a means to supress or drain power from a weapon or device. This has been used by multiple species, up to and including the Borg. The Breen weapon seems to act as a weaponized form, draining power from the entire ship and scrambling the computer cores.

 

 

 

Basically, it drains the ship of power and scrambles its computers, so even if you could get it to jumpstart, you'd be doing jack shit.

 

 

 

SW Ion Cannons

 

Sw Ion Cannons appear to act as a means to disrupt power flow and computer functions. When we see them hitting targets, we see massive power surges and complete power failure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either, and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail

 

 

 

ST Ion Storms

 

Yes, ST ships can be vulnerable to ion storms--but it takes fairly large ones to harm a starship and for the most part they're unquantifiable. So it is possible for an ion cannon to harm a Trek ship? With enough power, sure. Is it likely from an SW weapon? Unlikely, although the Malevolence could probably do it...although given how fucking impossible it would be to hit an ST ship without it being in either spitting ranges or incapable of movement is a mystery to me.

[Questor 501]

What was so important about that comment that it needed a resurrection of a two month old thread?

[Tyralak 12,068]

You know Mith doesn't visit very often. Plus, bumping old threads is perfectly appropriate.