Jason 27 Posted April 20, 2010 See that Ion Cannon has been around for nearly centery in Star Wars Univerce no defense againist Ion Cannon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Questor 501 Posted April 21, 2010 See that Ion Cannon has been around for nearly centery in Star Wars Univerce no defense againist Ion Cannon. Perhaps there is no defense against it that is practical? How come the US military doesn't have a defense against shaped charge ATGMs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InvaderSkooj 1 Posted April 21, 2010 How come starfleet doesnt have protection against warpcore breaches and antimatter explosions, they've used antimatter for 200+years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 21, 2010 Israel come up defense againist ATGMs come to deal with weapons thier tanks. Starfleet command number ways deal warpcore breachs incould enject the core it self. No one in Star Wars Univerce has any real defense againist the Ion Cannon. In Star War univerce no devolpment any real mean stop it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Questor 501 Posted April 21, 2010 Israel come up defense againist ATGMs come to deal with weapons thier tanks. Starfleet command number ways deal warpcore breachs incould enject the core it self. No one in Star Wars Univerce has any real defense againist the Ion Cannon. In Star War univerce no devolpment any real mean stop it. Really? They have a successful, deployable, scaleable defense against ATGMs? Which tank is it deployed on? Or are you a fucking moron who thinks that a defense against an RPG is the same as a defense against a modern ATGM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted April 21, 2010 It is true that there isn't any known defense for an Ion weapon. In fact, the book that my sons insist I read to them every night makes that quite clear. However, to be fair to the other side, we don't see large scale use of ion weapons in Trek either. So, it would be really hard to spin this to a Trek advantage. Unless, of course, Ion weapons become commonplace in future series'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 21, 2010 Starfleet has defense againist the ion cannon You want learn about Israel defensive againist ATGMs being used againist thier tanks here link to it My link That breen Weapon did the same thing to a starship that ion cannon does to starship and the UFP over came that weapon very fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khas 12,158 Posted April 21, 2010 There's no way to know if the Breen Energy Dissipator was an Ion Cannon or not. Once again, you're just making yourself into an idiot, Jason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praeothmin 532 Posted April 21, 2010 There's no way to know if the Breen Energy Dissipator was an Ion Cannon or not. Although they do behave in a similar manner. After being shot by either type of weapon, all electrical systems on a ship ceases to function in a violent spark of what one can assume to be electricity... The modification that allowed the old klingon ship to survice may have simply been a ground wire connected to the frame of the ship... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InvaderSkooj 1 Posted April 21, 2010 Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either, and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praeothmin 532 Posted April 21, 2010 Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either Except, as those people arguing against the Borg adapting to Turbolaser keep repeating over and over (and I actually agree with them): "There's a limit to adaptation, and when the limit has been surpassed, then bye bye Borg!" In other words, those Ion storms against which ST and SW ships are vulnerable are surely more powerful then puny "man-made" cannons... Take a real world example of a capacitor. If you run voltage through it below its limit, it will simply charge, and when that charge is done, it will let current pass. If you run a higher voltage then its capacity to resist, then "Boom"... That being said, I only stated that they behaved in a similar manner, but just like the thread where we both discussed Phasers and SW Disruptors, their can be valid arguments for both views: same weapon or not... I was responding to the comment made by Khas that there was no way to know if these weapons were the same. I'm just saying we can try using observed effects and descriptions... and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail Hhhmmm... They go boom? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted April 21, 2010 But have we actually ever seen a warp core lose containment due to a power failure? We've seen plenty of total power failures, but I don't recall one leading to a warp core going boom. It would make sense that the power to the containment field was generated by the very antimatter it was containing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 22, 2010 Breen enegery weapon just disable the Defiant the Breen many weapon destory her. How Breen Energy Dissipator weapon is a ion cannon in practice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 26, 2010 So we talking about weapon systoms been around for more 4,000 years no one design defense againist it. We used not have any way protect ourselves from bullets have something call ristience armor now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma 521 Posted April 26, 2010 So we talking about weapon systoms been around for more 4,000 years no one design defense againist it. We used not have any way protect ourselves from bullets have something call ristience armor now. Where are you getting the 4000 years from? Even if it is true that means squat since the UFP existed for maybe 200 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khas 12,158 Posted April 26, 2010 Wait a minute, Jason says that the Empire has no "defenseless" against an ion cannon. That means they aren't defenseless against them. Which means that those defenses exist somewhere... At least, that's what using logic when reading this topic title would lead you to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted April 26, 2010 Your mistake is trying to apply logic to Jason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 27, 2010 Comics are cannon for star wars. Read this Outside the walls of Iziz, both Gobee and Modon Kira received orders from Oron to begin the counterstrike. As Kira attempted to make his own departure from the palace, Gobee led his wings of Beast Riders in an aerial assault on both the north and eastern walls of Iziz,[3] while Modon's forces advanced in boma-mounted ground formation.[4] Their attack was met with turbolaser and ion cannon resistanceLook date this going on 4,000 BBYMy link Battle at Hoth system, 3ABY.http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Hoth. That long time not to be able design any defense. defense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praeothmin 532 Posted April 27, 2010 Your mistake is Jason. Corrected it for you, Tyralak... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khas 12,158 Posted April 27, 2010 Wait, that's saying my mistake is Jason. How royal was my screw-up that Jason formed? And more importantly, what was my screw-up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted April 27, 2010 Comics are cannon for star wars. They are, but in the convoluted pantheon of SW canon, they're way way down on the list. Actually, the book I showed earlier in the thread actually counts as EU, and comics are below that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 27 Posted April 28, 2010 Even so no cannon evidence books to suggestion that it has not been around long over ride comic so it evidence still strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mith 0 Posted June 20, 2010 Although they do behave in a similar manner. After being shot by either type of weapon, all electrical systems on a ship ceases to function in a violent spark of what one can assume to be electricity... The modification that allowed the old klingon ship to survice may have simply been a ground wire connected to the frame of the ship... There's a major difference. Breen Energy Dampening Weapon This is basically a weaponized verson of what we see throughout the later part of a franchise. Basically, a dampening field acts as a means to supress or drain power from a weapon or device. This has been used by multiple species, up to and including the Borg. The Breen weapon seems to act as a weaponized form, draining power from the entire ship and scrambling the computer cores. Basically, it drains the ship of power and scrambles its computers, so even if you could get it to jumpstart, you'd be doing jack shit. SW Ion Cannons Sw Ion Cannons appear to act as a means to disrupt power flow and computer functions. When we see them hitting targets, we see massive power surges and complete power failure. Then there's the whole ion storms pwning ST ships, which would support ST ships having no defense against ion cannons either, and we all know what happens when ships built out of matter lose all power and the EM fields around the antimatter fail ST Ion Storms Yes, ST ships can be vulnerable to ion storms--but it takes fairly large ones to harm a starship and for the most part they're unquantifiable. So it is possible for an ion cannon to harm a Trek ship? With enough power, sure. Is it likely from an SW weapon? Unlikely, although the Malevolence could probably do it...although given how fucking impossible it would be to hit an ST ship without it being in either spitting ranges or incapable of movement is a mystery to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Questor 501 Posted June 20, 2010 What was so important about that comment that it needed a resurrection of a two month old thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyralak 12,068 Posted June 20, 2010 You know Mith doesn't visit very often. Plus, bumping old threads is perfectly appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites