Star Wars Empire Stormtroopers vrs Star Terk MACO

[Jason 27]

UFP MACO whip the carpet with Stormtroopers died bodies.

[Khas 12,158]

How do you whip a carpet? And more importantly, how do you do it with a dead body?

[enigma 521]

Yeeaaaah........ no. Even if in a one on one fight the MACO could win, they'd still be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of stormtroopers that the Empire can deploy. Plus the stormtroopers have a wide variety of weapons available to them. More so than those body shop specialists. Need a paint job? Better get MACO!

[Airlocke 12,014]

Khas, I think he meant, "Dyed bodies". As in, someone has changed their color to brown. The color of bullshit.

[Khas 12,158]

I see...

[enigma 521]

Khas, I think he meant, "Dyed bodies". As in, someone has changed their color to brown. The color of bullshit.

 

 

 

Need to paint your arguments into bullshit brown? Better get MACO!

[Praeothmin 532]

If we are using the entire force of Stormtroopers vs the entire force of MACOs, then the MACOs all die...

 

 

 

If we use an equal amount of each, say 20, without any external support, and we allow only what they've been seen to use, then the MACOs win, easily.

 

They use cover to advance, use overlaying fire arcs, actual working tactics, their weapons can be used to snipe and have rapid fire capabilities.

 

 

 

If we're talking about who can dye the other's hair the quickest, then the MACOs lose, due to the fact that Stromtroopers wear helmets...

[enigma 521]

If we are using the entire force of Stormtroopers vs the entire force of MACOs, then the MACOs all die...

 

 

 

If we use an equal amount of each, say 20, without any external support, and we allow only what they've been seen to use, then the MACOs win, easily.

 

They use cover to advance, use overlaying fire arcs, actual working tactics, their weapons can be used to snipe and have rapid fire capabilities.

 

 

 

If we're talking about who can dye the other's hair the quickest, then the MACOs lose, due to the fact that Stromtroopers wear helmets...

 

 

 

And Stormtroopers do not use cover? Do you know the range of weaponry they have available to them? Plus they are armored and they can at least take a couple of hits whereas the MACOs don't and will get killed.

[Praeothmin 532]

And Stormtroopers do not use cover? Do you know the range of weaponry they have available to them?

 

 

 

When did you see them take cover?

 

In ANH, when boarding the Tantive IV?

 

On the DS, when firing at Luke and Leia, while standing on the platform across from them?

 

On Endor, when attacking the Ewoks or the Rebels?

 

We're not talking about the Clone troopers here, we're talking about Stormtroopers...

 

 

 

Plus they are armored and they can at least take a couple of hits whereas the MACOs don't and will get killed.

 

 

 

 

You will, of course, provide proof that Stormtrooper armor can indeed take more then 1 hit froma MACO weapon...

[enigma 521]

I looked over at Youtube for MACO in action and the one they go in and save Archer and Tucker shows that their weapons did not penetrate the captors clothing. Since I am hard of hearing, were they meant to stun or kill? If it was meant to kill then I can clearly see the Stormtroopers armor protecting them (unless targeted at the joints) since the weapons do not have a penetrating effect (holes, burn marks, etc..) other than looking like a glorified stun gun.

 

 

 

If they are that great why are they not used for starship security?

[enigma 521]

Also on the death star, the stormtroopers used covering tactics when attacking Luke and Co. after rescuing Leia and before their ride down the garbage chute.

[Jason 27]

Stormtroopers armer would be unless. We seen the MACO kill aliens that are wearing armor.

[Airlocke 12,014]

Unless what?

[Tyralak 12,068]

[Praeothmin 532]

Enigma, I'll look for that part on youtube tonight, and then look at it on my DVDs, but one quick question:

 

What hapenned when the MACO shots hit the Captors?

 

Did they go down, or not?

 

 

 

As for the Stormtrooper taking cover, how many times do you see it compared to the number of times they don't?

 

And more importantly, by "taking cover", do you mean "they stayed at the bottom of the stairs leading to the cell block corridor, shooting at the enemy while not ducking after each shot!"?

 

That's really impressive as fas ar tactics go...

[enigma 521]

I saw the stormtroopers going from one side to the other while shooting, taking cover from the side of the stairs and crouching a bit to provide a lower profile while shooting.

 

 

 

The captors did go down but they were not armored. They wore thick sweater vests. So MACO weapons are good against non armored opponents. What about armored opponents?

[Praeothmin 532]

We've seen Phasers and Phase-Pistols used against armor wearing opponents (Klingons, Jem Hadar, Borg), and they went down as well, so why would they not work against Stormtrooper armor?

 

 

 

As for the cell-block incident, again, it's one time versus many where they didn't.

 

If we use this one time to say that they use good tactics, then I'll say ST redshirts use good tactics as well, because we've seen them use some a few times around...

[enigma 521]

I remember the MACO using pulse rifles not phase pistols or phase rifles. Maybe they upgraded?

 

 

 

Still, the Stormies still have more options for them than MACOs. Like the E-web and the infamous thermal detonator.

 

 

 

Who knows? Maybe the MACOs could win in a small engagement but then get blasted into their constituent particles from a turbolaser blast.

[Praeothmin 532]

I remember the MACO using pulse rifles not phase pistols or phase rifles. Maybe they upgraded?

 

 

 

Still, the Stormies still have more options for them than MACOs. Like the E-web and the infamous thermal detonator.

 

 

 

Who knows? Maybe the MACOs could win in a small engagement but then get blasted into their constituent particles from a turbolaser blast.

 

 

 

But that's what I said.

 

With no support (meaning no AT-ATs or AT-STs, or whatever else), and with equivalent numbers, MACOs win.

 

But of course, if we bring in mechanical support, the most the MACOs can hope for is a shuttle with weak Phase-cannons...

[enigma 521]

E-web and thermal detonators are not external support. If you noticed, I did not say AT-ATs and the like.

[Praeothmin 532]

E-web and thermal detonators are not external support. If you noticed, I did not say AT-ATs and the like.

 

 

 

And we've seen Stormtroopers use the Thermal detonator when, exaclty?

 

And the MACOs have stun grenades they've used in the show.

 

Also, in ENT: The Augments, it was shown that the Phase Rifle had a kill setting capable of blasting a perfectly symmetrical hole over an inch in diameter through a human torso. (From Memmory Alpha)

 

 

 

As for the E-Web, that would surely be interesting, except it takes time to set up, time the Stormtroopers may not have.

 

 

 

Still, even with the E-Web, while the MACOs would pay the price dearly, they would still win...

[enigma 521]

Each stormtrooper has a thermal detonator on their backpack. Wookieepedia shows a picture of a stormtrooper issued TDs. Each TD has a specific input code for each stormtrooper so it doesn't fall in the wrong hands.

 

 

 

As for the E-webs, depending on where the fight is located, they can use cover or distract the MACOs as they assemble it and then use it.

 

 

 

Would stun grenades work on opponents that are completely encased in armor? How does the MACOs stun grenade work?

[Jason 27]

FIrst shuttlecaft armed phaser cannon take out AT-AS easily. Then across question are these MACO form Star Terk online needs of the many or just once we have form Star TERK Enterpise. If once Star Terk online needs the many. Then they will be armed with sniper rifes that can shot thought walls and then AT-AT they make quick work to.

[Khas 12,158]

What does this have to do with anything?

[Praeothmin 532]

Each stormtrooper has a thermal detonator on their backpack. Wookieepedia shows a picture of a stormtrooper issued TDs. Each TD has a specific input code for each stormtrooper so it doesn't fall in the wrong hands.

 

 

 

As for the E-webs, depending on where the fight is located, they can use cover or distract the MACOs as they assemble it and then use it.

 

 

 

Would stun grenades work on opponents that are completely encased in armor? How does the MACOs stun grenade work?

 

 

 

Wookiepedia shows it, but again, when was it use in the movies?

 

Ever?

 

They didn't even use them against the Ewoks while they were getting their asses kicked by the teddy bears...

 

 

 

And, when you say "completely encased", you don't mean these guys, do you?

 

 

 

Also, the

where the MACO's stun setting was taking down guys, the same guys fired on one MACO and didn't knock him out, while when Archer uses the enemy's weapon against the shooter, he goes down like a ton of bricks.

 

So either the MACO was very tough, or their suit offers some protection to stun settings...

 

 

 

As for the stun grenades, they seem to be both concussion and Phaser-like stun weapons, as seen in

, at 1:17.

 

Since the Stormtrooper armor isn't fully enclosed, and doesn't offer much in terms of concussive protection, the stun grenades should prove effective...