Galaxy class starship main defector dish as a weapon

[Questor 501]

1 terawatt = 10,000,000,000,000 watts in power.

 

 

 

Name of the most power laser in world right now NIF.

 

 

 

What is its power output?

[Jason 27]

Do you mean how much does take to turn it on or do you mean how much enengy it makes.

 

 

 

Laser it self can unlease only two million joules of energy. However when it hits it target they hoping to make 500 terawatt flash of light of about .

[Questor 501]

1 terawatt = 10,000,000,000,000 watts in power.

 

 

 

CONGRATULATIONS, you know what tera means Do you know what a watt is?

 

 

 

Assuming that the output is 1 terawatt per millisecond, the most the borg cube was hit with was a a total of around 8 megatons over 33 seconds. This equates to 240 kilotons per second.

 

 

 

Do you understand that not only does this hurt your case here, it also ruins your case for anything? Because in order for this to be believable, then this beam (using all the power the Enterprise had) has to be more powerful than the the rest of the of the Enterprises weapons combined.

 

 

 

Using that calculation (which is VERY generous, I could just as easily have assumed that it was 1 TW per second (or even 1 TW over the 33 seconds, which is actually what the dialog seems to support) and made ST look like an even bigger pansy ass) and the fact that the Enterprise has 5 phaser arrays that could be brought to bear, and can fire 10 photon torpedoes in a second, and you get VERY low numbers for the weapons. Assuming that roughly 1/3 of the power is being by the phasers, you get 16 KT/s per phaser array. And a yield of 16 KT per photon torpedo. This is, ironically, within an order of magnitude of my estimate for the firepower from a single photon from evidence in STVI. This is also WELL within what we can do with modern nuclear weapons.

 

 

 

As an aside, the 1 TW over 33 seconds gives an equivalent of 7 KT a second. That ends up being 50 tons per photon - very close to my absolute FLOOR estimate of 10 tons. Do you really want to keep playing this game with me?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name of the most power laser in world right now NIF.

 

 

 

 

The National Ignition Facility has not fired at full strength yet. The most powerful laser currently operating is the Texas Petawatt Project at the university of texas, austin. As the name suggests, it is a PETAWATT laser. Please, keep telling me how advanced the terawatt weapons in ST are.

[Questor 501]

Do you mean how much does take to turn it on or do you mean how much enengy it makes.

 

 

 

Laser it self can unlease only two million joules of energy. However when it hits it target they hoping to make 500 terawatt flash of light of about .

 

 

 

Do you know why there is a difference between those two numbers?

 

 

 

Address the more thorough demolition of your points above.

[Jason 27]

GEORDI also said that the amount power warp drive normal makes is terawatt. They also did not normal push warp drive to a Warp reactor core primary coolant failure either. The amount power the Warp reactor core gives off much greater amounts of power then normal when came to using the main defector dish a weapon. By way the USS Enterprise D is not normally going at warp 9.6 either. It can only maintain that kind speed 12 hours.

[Questor 501]

GEORDI also said that the amount power warp drive normal makes is terawatt. They also did not normal push warp drive to a Warp reactor core primary coolant failure either. The amount power the Warp reactor core gives off much greater amounts of power then normal when came to using the main defector dish a weapon. By way the USS Enterprise D is not normally going at warp 9.6 either. It can only maintain that kind speed 12 hours.

 

 

 

You do understand that the fact that Geordi said Terawatt makes me doubt that he has any idea what he is doing, right?

 

 

 

I gave you insanely favorable assumptions, and once again, you still haven't got a leg to stand on, simply because ST writers are MORONS.

[Airlocke 12,014]

GEORDI also said that the amount power warp drive normal makes is terawatt. They also did not normal push warp drive to a Warp reactor core primary coolant failure either. The amount power the Warp reactor core gives off much greater amounts of power then normal when came to using the main defector dish a weapon. By way the USS Enterprise D is not normally going at warp 9.6 either. It can only maintain that kind speed 12 hours.

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't this actually hurt his argument, further? Why even try?

[Questor 501]

Doesn't this actually hurt his argument, further? Why even try?

 

 

 

I actually came up with another alternative analysis of the phrase terawatt. Megawatt is often used as shorthand for megawatt-hour. If this is being used the same way, then the figures become even more pathetic.

[Jason 27]

The warp drive has a lot in common with a stream engine. Like a stream engine the warp drive can over heat. Like a steam engines as will it go great speed for smell amount time, but risk over heating if goes at these speeds for to long. There also recommend top speed and the top speed you can get.

 

 

 

So to be on the money USS Enterprise D would have to be pumping power worth of 12 hours at 9.6 in 33 seconds of power into the main defector dishes .So you have to times it by 60 times then 60 times then times by 12 then divide it by 33 =1309 TW power.

 

 

 

Note GEORDI could also be talking about peace times when talking normal the USS Enterprise D.

[Questor 501]

The warp drive has a lot in common with a stream engine. Like a stream engine the warp drive can over heat. Like a steam engines as will it go great speed for smell amount time, but risk over heating if goes at these speeds for to long. There also recommend top speed and the top speed you can get.

 

 

 

So to be on the money USS Enterprise D would have to be pumping power worth of 12 hours at 9.6 in 33 seconds of power into the main defector dishes .So you have to times it by 60 times then 60 times then times by 12 then divide it by 33 =1309 TW power.

 

 

 

1. How did you get 12 hours?

 

 

 

2.I GAVE YOU 10 TIMES THAT!

 

 

 

3. Using your numbers, a more effective defense for the federation would be to put the B-52s back in service and seal them up for space work.

 

 

 

4. Please, please, STOP. You cannot win this, because you cannot find good examples, and you are obsessed with ST's weakest part, the dialog.

 

 

 

Strategic Air Command IN SPACE!

 

 

 

 

Space B-52 wing approaches borg cube. Crews perform final "before nuclear attack" checklists.

 

 

 

"Prepare to be assimilated"

 

 

 

"FIRE"

 

 

 

360 SRAMs streak out, annihilating the borg cube.

 

 

 

"Peace is our profession."

[Jason 27]

As you can see here

 

 

 

WORF

 

We're now at Warp nine point

 

three, sir. Which takes us past

 

the red line, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DATA

 

Projection, sir. We may be able

 

to match the hostile's nine point

 

eight, sir. But at extreme risk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not normal speed warp speed nine point eight

 

My link

 

 

 

WESLEY

 

Commander, if the Borg stay at

 

warp nine-point-six, we'll be

 

forced to discontinue pursuit and

 

power down in less than three

 

hours.

 

Shows that USS Enterpise D warp drive over heats at warp nine point six. Other wise why would they need to power down there systoms.

 

 

 

 

 

RIKER

 

(to com)

 

Commander Shelby... we have only

 

seventeen minutes of warp power

 

left. Do what you can to get

 

them out of warp.

 

 

 

Forgive me it was seventeen minutes of warp power into the warp drive.

 

This link I got it from.

 

My link

[Questor 501]

As you can see here

 

 

 

WORF

 

We're now at Warp nine point

 

three, sir. Which takes us past

 

the red line, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DATA

 

Projection, sir. We may be able

 

to match the hostile's nine point

 

eight, sir. But at extreme risk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not normal speed warp speed nine point eight

 

My link

 

 

 

WESLEY

 

Commander, if the Borg stay at

 

warp nine-point-six, we'll be

 

forced to discontinue pursuit and

 

power down in less than three

 

hours.

 

Shows that USS Enterpise D warp drive over heats at warp nine point six. Other wise why would they need to power down there systoms.

 

 

 

 

 

RIKER

 

(to com)

 

Commander Shelby... we have only

 

seventeen minutes of warp power

 

left. Do what you can to get

 

them out of warp.

 

 

 

Forgive me it was seventeen minutes of warp power into the warp drive.

 

This link I got it from.

 

My link

 

 

 

OK, so you are claiming that there are 60*13=780 TW of power in the warp core? I got that right, right? And that it can put all of that out in 33 seconds with the deflector dish? Did I get that right, too?

 

 

 

So using your numbers, the deflector dish can put out 780/33=23.67 TW/S (or TJ).

 

 

 

That means that (using my previous assumptions) photons have a yield of 1.48 TW, and phasers put out 1.48 TJ? That gives a photon a yield of 353 tons, and a phaser output of 353 tons/sec.

 

 

 

These numbers keep getting better and better for everyone but ST.

 

 

 

Seriously, when the firepower figures put out by your flagship make a cold war bomber look attractive, you are doing something wrong.

[Jason 27]

Note GEORDI normal not most the engine can give. USS Enterpise D is not noraml going at warp 9.6 or even at warp nine,but warp 8.5 would be noral other wise why would Caption Jellico deside go that slow.

 

 

 

JELLICO

 

(long beat)

 

Data, I want to be at Minos Korva

 

in one hour.

 

 

 

DATA

 

Aye, sir.

 

(to Con Officer)

 

Set course three five zero mark

 

two one five and engage at warp

 

eight point five.

 

 

 

My link

 

 

 

Date said this when USS Enterpise D was standing still.

 

DATA

 

Imagination is not necessary; the

 

scale is readily quantifiable.

 

(glancing at console)

 

We are presently generating twelve

 

point seven-five billion gigawatts

 

per second.

 

My link

 

Were all that power goes to anyone guess.

[enigma 521]

Except Jason it wasn't explicitly mentioned gigawatts on the show. That part was cut off.

[Questor 501]

Except Jason it wasn't explicitly mentioned gigawatts on the show. That part was cut off.

 

 

 

Enigma, it doesn't matter, That's still only generating 12.75 times what I assumed in the original 1 TW per millisecond post. So now we have yields at 204 KT MAX. And now its supported fully by dialog. Also, he's cherry picking his quotes again. That quote was in the middle of a run-away reaction inside the reactor, which would imply that it is darn near the maximum that the ship can generate, not "standing still."

 

 

 

He doesn't understand the numbers, and so is just copy/pasting. If he were actually manipulating the numbers he'd understand that in order to get even to the yields implied by the tech manual (which are still barely in the "better than mid-20th century strategic superpower"), he needs power generation 2-3 orders of magnitude bigger.

 

 

 

To get to yields suggested by say, "Skin of Evil," he needs another 3-4 orders of magnitude on top of that, which is not supported by the evidence he is presenting. In fact, at this point, in order to present that, he now has to show that Data can't read and Geordi is an idiot, which undermine his other points about the Enterprise-C.

 

 

 

So, in this thread we have seen that the Enterprise's firepower compares unfavorable with a Cold War B-52 wing, and that Voyager's maneuverability compares unfavorably with that of the Space Shuttle.

[Jason 27]

I never said Star Terk was science. Remeber this GEORDI used the term normal it very possible that USS Enterpise D in that mission was using a lote more power then it normal used.

[Praeothmin 532]

Except Jason it wasn't explicitly mentioned gigawatts on the show. That part was cut off.

 

 

 

Actually, Enigma, it does specifically mention Gigawatt.

 

The part that was cut of is what comes after "per".

 

 

 

DATA

 

Imagination is not necessary; the

 

scale is readily quantifiable.

 

(glancing at console)

 

We are presently generating twelve

 

point seven-five billion gigawatts

 

per... "Is interrupted before finishing"

[enigma 521]

I stand corrected. Nevertheless it is still left up in the air what he meant despite the script.

[Jason 27]

The phaser bank USS Enterpise NX had 80 gigajoules. SO the ENterpise NX had at least 80 gigajuoles deviding into three phaser cannons.

 

 

 

The phase cannon assembly was equipped with multiphasic emitters and had a maximum yield of 80 gigajoules.My link

 

 

 

USS Enterpise D is armed with 10 phaser banks .

 

 

 

WORF

 

I have completed a survey of our

 

tactical systems. We are equipped

 

with ten phaser banks

 

My link

 

USS Enterpise D phaser bank have greater fire power then Enterpise NX.Means the USS Enterpise D has the able of at least 240 gigajoules of power. We might want to remind ourselves the USS Enterpise D fire power is much greater then NX Enterpise. At least twice the strongth of NX Enterpise maybe three times as strong. http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/nextgeneration/season5/tng-514.txt

 

 

 

To me the fact USS Enterprise D orbit a planet .As for the warp core breach Q did it read this part scripted please.

 

 

 

PICARD

 

Are you responsible for the

 

incident in Engineering?

 

 

 

Q

 

Of course. I needed to find out

 

if what I suspected about the girl

 

was true.

 

My link

[Questor 501]

The phaser bank USS Enterpise NX had 80 gigajoules. SO the ENterpise NX had at least 80 gigajuoles deviding into three phaser cannons.

 

 

 

The phase cannon assembly was equipped with multiphasic emitters and had a maximum yield of 80 gigajoules.My link

<Phaser bank count moved below for clarity>

 

 

 

USS Enterpise D phaser bank have greater fire power then Enterpise NX.Means the USS Enterpise D has the able of at least 240 gigajoules of power. We might want to remind ourselves the USS Enterpise D fire power is much greater then NX Enterpise. At least twice the strongth of NX Enterpise maybe three times as strong. http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/nextgeneration/season5/tng-514.txt

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, that's a non sequitur for three reasons.

 

 

 

1. Phase cannons are not the same as phasers. In fact I believe phasers are mentioned in other episodes.

 

 

 

2. The Federation in TNG era is ridiculously demilitarized. Once again I draw the analogy between NOAA and the Coast Guard and the US Navy. Do you see many NOAA ships armed with nuclear missiles? Hell, that's a bit much even for Stuart's universe, where "the United States took subtlety out behind the woodshed... and strangled it." By the way, this, could do more damage than you have provided evidence that the Enterprise-D could. And those don't come alone, the come in pairs, with one of these, and four of these. The real life equivalents of those, if you did a "Space Battleship Yamamoto" on them, would make a better defense for Earth - by your evidence - than the Enterprise-D. Hell, the frickin' Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin, loaded with the nuclear 16-inchers, and the nuclear 5-inchers that were once contemplated, would presumably do better than the entire fleet at Wolf 359, and we won't even talk about what would happen when you include the missile armed escorts that SAG would have.

 

 

 

3. We don't know where this measurement is being made. It could just mean that the weapons are much more inefficient than TNG phasers. Or it could mean that, once again, the TNG writers proved that the only difference between my sister's bulldog and a TNG writer is that the bulldog will eventually be able to figure out that he can't get through the sliding glass door by running at it full speed - at least after a few days of trying. ...Oh, and that the TNG writers are cuter. <Just for you, sis>

 

 

 

By the way, the only numbers I'm using to prove the ultimate inferiority of Trek weapons to current weapons are the ones you are providing. I know of other numbers, but I've paid a lot - in time, money, and learning - to understand how to get those estimates. I'm not giving them to you for free. If you find them, we can talk about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

USS Enterpise D is armed with 10 phaser banks .

 

 

 

WORF

 

I have completed a survey of our

 

tactical systems. We are equipped

 

with ten phaser banks

 

My link

 

 

 

 

ITT, we prove that Jason is either a troll, or unable to count.

 

 

 

For anyone who has actually looked at the model, it has 12 - 13 if you count the effects mistake in this very episode - (Primary Hull Dorsal, Primary Hull Ventral, Cobra Forward, Cobra Aft Port, Cobra Aft Starboard, Secondary Hull Dorsal Aft Port, Secondary Hull Dorsal Aft Starboard, Secondary Hull Ventral Aft Port, Secondary Hull Ventral Forward, Secondary Hull Ventral Aft Starboard, Starboard Pylon, and Port Pylon), but only five can be brought to bear on any target in the upper forward arc, where the Borg cube was. I was giving the ship the benefit of the doubt and assuming that the phaser arrays which could not be used would not be counted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

To me the fact USS Enterprise D orbit a planet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No shit, Sherlock. But you provided the numbers because you don't know what they mean. You can't do anything other than reissue the writer/bulldog comparison.

 

 

 

 

As for the warp core breach Q did it read this part scripted please.

 

 

 

PICARD

 

Are you responsible for the

 

incident in Engineering?

 

 

 

Q

 

Of course. I needed to find out

 

if what I suspected about the girl

 

was true.

 

My link

 

 

 

 

How does that prove anything about the power output at the time?

 

 

 

Also:

 

 

 

I never said Star Terk was science. Remeber this GEORDI used the term normal it very possible that USS Enterpise D in that mission was using a lote more power then it normal used.

 

 

 

 

 

Taking that statement apart:

 

 

 

1. Then why are you trying to debate using scientific principles? If you are going to take this tack just because you are unable to prove your point, then your just a wast of time. There are plenty of ways to attack my figures from a scientific standpoint, you just haven't found them yet and have alienated the entire board so bad that the other people who might have been able to help you, wont.

 

 

 

2. Geordi (Why do you think his name is in all caps? Is it just because you've only seen it in a script?), said that the Enterprise normally generates a terawatt of power. He did not specify any time interval, and considering common usage in the lay public - the only way to make the quote make sense in context - he meant terawatt-hour. The reason this usage and interpretation is logical is an out of context one, but it is the only way to avoid drawing the conclusion that the equivalent of a nuclear engineer doesn't know what a watt is. The third interpretation, that this is the amount of total power that the entire system can generate on a single load of fuel is so absurd as to not be funny anymore.

 

 

 

Instead of simple using any of those - low end - interpretations, I chose to give you (and him) the benefit of the doubt, and assume he meant that that was the amount of power it generated every millisecond. You then provided a second, more detailed and scientifically correct, quote that showed that momentarily before a catastrophic overpower event, it was generating 1 terawatt for a time period just a little less than one tenth of a millisecond. I showed that that still gives you low kiloton range firepower.

[Jason 27]

Watch video see how quickly Constellation-class destroys a NX class starship in mirror universe.

 

 

By the way USS Stargazer was Constellation class starship.

 

 

 

 

 

TNG the wound Galaxy class starship give Cardrasson ship little beaten.

 

My link

 

 

 

This shows the USS Enterpise D is more power NX class starship.

[Questor 501]

Watch video see how quickly Constellation-class destroys a NX class starship in mirror universe.

 

 

By the way USS Stargazer was Constellation class starship.

 

 

 

 

Wow. You really don't get the whole "mixing universes thing, do you?

 

 

 

1. That's the mirror universe. No more applicable here than the "Yesterday's Enterprise" universe.

 

 

 

2. That's a montage, not the actual footage from the episode.

 

 

 

And here's the one that PROVES you're a troll, because anyone who's ever watched Star Trek knows that that classic profile we saw was not a Constellation-class starship - which, based on hull form, is probably a contemporary of the refit Constitution class and the Miranda of the Classic Movies - but a Constitution - the original, the very first, the greatest starship class ever built. Among those twelve ships were the original U.S.S. Enterprise, the only ship, of twelve, to return home to Earth after the "5-Year Mission," the ship commanded by men like Spock, Robert April, Christopher Pike, - the one, the only - Captain - and later Admiral, and then Captain again - James Tiberius Kirk, the greatest captain in Federation history to hold the moniker "Captain of the Enterprise," a man so incredible that Berman had to kill him to kill the cult, and he still couldn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, that ship is the U.S.S.Defiant, the namesake of the U.S.S. Defiant of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It was lost in the Star Trek (Original Series) episode "Tholian Web."

 

 

 

 

 

 

TNG the wound Galaxy class starship give Cardrasson ship little beaten.

 

My link

 

 

 

This shows the USS Enterpise D is more power NX class starship.

 

 

 

 

How? What do Cardassians have to do with Enterprise? Oh, wait, the U.S.S. Stargazer, a Constellation Class ship - most likely some kind of courier given the hull form and size - was running from a Cardassian warship, and you think that that proves something because you think U.S.S. Defiant was constellation class.

 

 

 

Dude. Wow.

[Airlocke 12,014]

 

 

 

Wow. You really don't get the whole "mixing universes thing, do you?

 

 

 

1. That's the mirror universe. No more applicable here than the "Yesterday's Enterprise" universe.

 

 

 

2. That's a montage, not the actual footage from the episode.

 

 

 

And here's the one that PROVES you're a troll, because anyone who's ever watched Star Trek knows that that classic profile we saw was not a Constellation-class starship - which, based on hull form, is probably a contemporary of the refit Constitution class and the Miranda of the Classic Movies - but a Constitution - the original, the very first, the greatest starship class ever built. Among those twelve ships were the original U.S.S. Enterprise, the only ship, of twelve, to return home to Earth after the "5-Year Mission," the ship commanded by men like Spock, Robert April, Christopher Pike, - the one, the only - Captain - and later Admiral, and then Captain again - James Tiberius Kirk, the greatest captain in Federation history to hold the moniker "Captain of the Enterprise," a man so incredible that Berman had to kill him to kill the cult, and he still couldn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, that ship is the U.S.S.Defiant, the namesake of the U.S.S. Defiant of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It was lost in the Star Trek (Original Series) episode "Tholian Web."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How? What do Cardassians have to do with Enterprise? Oh, wait, the U.S.S. Stargazer, a Constellation Class ship - most likely some kind of courier given the hull form and size - was running from a Cardassian warship, and you think that that proves something because you think U.S.S. Defiant was constellation class.

 

 

 

Dude. Wow.

 

 

 

Aren't you glad that you un-ignored him? He's so much fun.

[Jason 27]

Watch this vidie see how a NX Enterprise needed to overload phaser cannon to be able to got thought defector shields of enemy starship.

 

USS ENterpise D did not even have to come close to need to did that to a Cardasson starship.

 

My link

[enigma 521]

So what? Why are you comparing an obsolete ship with a current one?