Gundam Earth(uc + Earthforce(b5) vs Minbari

[Ali-Sama 5]

Gundam(uc) earth(assume entire solar system, colonies, space stations etc, including jupiter mars etc) is transported to the b5 verse, and replaces an easy to get to for the ea system, the jump gates remain.

 

Earth just started the minbari war which means it is 2245 earth date, and uc 0165(12 years after victory)

 

John sheridan's ship makes first contact. note the main character of victory is ironically the same age as John. So all thoes characters would be alive and kicking. So would f91 characters, they would be older. seabook would be 59.

 

The minbari start butching earth force and the message is given that they will kill all humans.

 

EA and the Earth federation join forces.

what happens?

 

 

ps i want ideas for a story i want to write.

 

Note gundam in this reality does not have ftl They do however have some cool technologies. you can read about some of them here. http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Universal_Century_Technology

 

ps the gundam weapons ahve a funky way of ratings. the best way to gage the beam output is to use this http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/QCX-76A_Jormungand that had 10x the output power of the capital weapons in the one year war or 0079 86 years before this.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Ali-Sama
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[Khas 12,158]

Assuming that all the colonies around Earth are dragged in as well, things get interesting. Trade between the two Earths would give the Earth Alliance Minovsky reactors, which would be a big leveler in the Earth-Minbari War, as neither Earth nor Minbari vessels would be able to target each other accurately.

 

Mobile Suits would provide a huge advantage in ground combat. I'm imagining legions of Mobile Suits raining hell down on Minbari ground troops.

 

Also, considering that the Universal Century had no shortage of monstrous individuals (Colonel Killing, Gihren Zabi (compared to Hitler in-universe), Yazan Gable, Bask Om, Iron Mask Carozzo, Fonse Kagatie, Rakan Dakharan), who would think nothing of using asteroid drops, nuclear weapons, nerve gas, bioweapons, and telepathic assaults to achieve victory, things would get very bad for the Minbari, very fast. Hell, in the One-Year War, the use of such weapons and tactics by both the Earth Federation and the Principality of Zeon wiped out half of humanity (5.5 billion people, to be precise). The only reason they stopped using such weapons was because this happened in a matter of weeks, and so they signed the Antarctic Treaty, which forbid the use of such weapons against each other. The One-Year War started when Zeon troops gassed a colony of three million people (colonies being huge rotating cylindrical space stations, six kilometers wide by thirty kilometers long) and knocked it out of orbit, causing it to crash into and destroy Sydney, Australia.

 

Against the Minbari, who are willing to commit genocidal actions for extremely petty reasons, the Earth Federation would not hesitate to use such WMDs in retaliation. And the Jupiter Empire (founded by human colonists out at Jupiter) would be even more ruthless. Not to mention that there is no treaty with the Minbari. If the Earth Alliance and Earth Federation open trade with each other, things get bad for the Minbari, VERY quickly.

[Khas 12,158]

One example of a horrifying telepathic weapon in the Universal Century Gundam universe was the Angel Halo from Victory Gundam. Imagine a huge ring, with thousands of psychics in it, who are brainwashed into believing that they're sending out messages of goodwill to the people of Earth, when in reality, they're sending out a telepathic wave that forces people to re-live their best and worst memories simultaneously, at such intensity, that by the time it was done, the people targeted would be knocked into an infantile state. The Zanscare Empire planned to use the Angel Halo on Earth. Not just a group of people on Earth, ALL of Earth. Everyone on Earth would have their minds fried, allowing Zanscare to move in and colonize the planet once everyone had died of starvation and dehydration. Yes, the entire planet's population.

 

Note: No aliens have been contacted in the UC universe. These are all humans doing this.

[Khas 12,158]

On another note, the Angel Halo would be DEVASTATING against the Shadows.

[scvn2812 504]

According to Ali's post, the Minbari war has just started. Which means there's 2 or 3 years to blend the best of Gundam and Earth Alliance technology before the Minbari reach Earth. Hybrid designs are probably out of the question realistically for at least a year into the war. I think we saw the proto-Omegas in what was implied to be late in the war in the In The Beginning Montage so that represents probably at least a year to get the Narn weapons online and that was for technology that was very similar in form and function to Earth's. Not only do they need to start producing hyperspace worthy ships with the new technology, they need to do so in such quantities that they can push the Minbari out of Earth space. Being willing to commit atrocities is all fine and dandy - if you're fighting on someone else's turf. Given the extreme differences in form and function between Earth and Minbari technology, its highly unlikely the Minbari were making use of captured Earth infrastructure so there is exactly zero benefit from scorched earth tactics. So the war has to be won in space, which means ship to ship slug outs - asymmetric warfare tactics like Sheriden's rouse to kill the Blackstar will win small tactical victories but this new Earth Alliance needs a practical way to win in space on the strategic scale. Against the Minbari specifically that's really going to come down to beating their stealth whether through advanced sensors that can justifiably defeat their stealth or human wave assaults that are able to consistently overrun Minbari lines and to do so in a way that causes the Minbari to suffer losses they cannot easily greater than Earth's. Defeating the Minbari in battle isn't enough, they also have to be beaten so severely that Earth can replace its losses faster than the Minbari and thus gain ground.

[Ali-Sama 5]

According to Ali's post, the Minbari war has just started. Which means there's 2 or 3 years to blend the best of Gundam and Earth Alliance technology before the Minbari reach Earth. Hybrid designs are probably out of the question realistically for at least a year into the war. I think we saw the proto-Omegas in what was implied to be late in the war in the In The Beginning Montage so that represents probably at least a year to get the Narn weapons online and that was for technology that was very similar in form and function to Earth's. Not only do they need to start producing hyperspace worthy ships with the new technology, they need to do so in such quantities that they can push the Minbari out of Earth space. Being willing to commit atrocities is all fine and dandy - if you're fighting on someone else's turf. Given the extreme differences in form and function between Earth and Minbari technology, its highly unlikely the Minbari were making use of captured Earth infrastructure so there is exactly zero benefit from scorched earth tactics. So the war has to be won in space, which means ship to ship slug outs - asymmetric warfare tactics like Sheriden's rouse to kill the Blackstar will win small tactical victories but this new Earth Alliance needs a practical way to win in space on the strategic scale. Against the Minbari specifically that's really going to come down to beating their stealth whether through advanced sensors that can justifiably defeat their stealth or human wave assaults that are able to consistently overrun Minbari lines and to do so in a way that causes the Minbari to suffer losses they cannot easily greater than Earth's. Defeating the Minbari in battle isn't enough, they also have to be beaten so severely that Earth can replace its losses faster than the Minbari and thus gain ground.

 

yeah I agree with you. the benefits gundam brings(combat and none combat) to the table. are as follows. I may forget a few.

 

A:the minovisky physics.

1:Fusion reactions which are 1/4 to 1/10th the size of normal fusion and which produce 15 or more times energy.

2: the minovisky effect which makes radar useless, skews infrared and even distorts visual ranges. Causes deterioration of particle weapons which cuts the ranges of such heavily.

3: Ability to shape force fields with I fields which block em radiation and heat. They use these to house micro fusion reactors and make something extremely light weight out of a big reactor. Hence ultra compact fusion reactors. A star fury could house a power house of a fusion reactor.

4:Imagine a light saber where you can make it into a literal shield and stop weapons. A wall of energy. Also light sabers.

5: They started using m particle engines which outperforms classic nuclear pulse engines and ion drives. The victory 2, with the small frame could do 20gs and accelerate all the way to near c, without needing extra fuel.

6: mega particle weapons are quiet powerful and cannot be deflected by em fields. the first generation capital ships are in the 50tj range per shot. They are known to shoot at high speeds and with mass broad sides of fleets. again this was 86 years prior.

 

 

B: New types and Weapons designed to take advatange of espers. New types are powerful in their own right. they have jedi reflexes, and other uncanny abilites. They however are not on par with powerful b5 psi core. A p5 or above using a psyco frame would be utterly unstoppable. They could also teach newtypes on how to use their abilities better.

 

C: Industry

 

1: 86 years before this, duering the one year war, both sides produced an space navy of 1000's of ships within six months. These ships are roughly 300-400 meters in length or the size of the average star fleet vessel. Their guns range in the kilotons of firepower and they can carry many fighters and mobile suits.

2: within 45-100 years they effectively colonized earht sphere and jupiter with 90% of humanity at the time. Their space stations make babylon 5 seem like a childs toy. 30kmx6km. They made 1000's upon 1000's of them. some of which are in Jupiter's orbit. Jupiter is their supply line of helium 3. As we did not know the moon contained a ton of it when they made the first show.

3: their military was in the millions during the one year war. This is however 86 years after.

4: The gundam was a prototype, which was developed in a year or so. they went from the prototype to mass production in under a six months. gm's where spit out en mass. Each prototype gundam has ushered mass productions within a few months to maybe a year. This means they are highly innovative and can incorporate new tech.

 

d: compatibility of cultures and tech.

 

Dispite the diffrences there are many similarities. The techs are all based on similar back grounds and terminology which came about at the same time. both have the back ground history up to the 20th century. We arn't going to suddenly recreate everything from the ground up. Remeber how in sg-1 they where able to see the video of the sg-1 team from the past? it;s because the fundamentals of the tech are all based on past tech which was the same.

 

Though in a story there should be obsticles otherwise it would be too easy to win.

[scvn2812 504]

It rather sounds like the only thing Earth Alliance brings to the table is experience building exceptionally large warships* and their understanding of generating hyperspace vortexes and navigating hyperspace. It sounds vaguely like the Gundam Sol system has a much greater industrial capacity and greater energy densities for their power plants. It also sounds like these M fields would force the Minbari to close to knife fight range where their stealth would almost certainly be a whole lot less effective - it clearly does not work well enough at visual range to prevent Earth ships from ramming them.

 

Assuming the two are able to get along, at the early stages it ought to be viable for EA ships to tow or share navigation data with Gundam ships while traveling through hyperspace. Eventually, though, in order to get their long term cooperation, the Earth Alliance is probably going to have to give up its only real bargaining chip: hyperspace travel, though they will almost certainly insist on M-technology. Whether they get it or not is another story though. Gundam Sol has them over the barrel of a gun. Gundam Sol could probably hold against anything short of attack by a Shadow planet killer. They don't need to save the Earth Alliance unless they are motivated by compassion for their fellow human beings who stand on the brink of extermination. On the other hand, they don't stand to lose much of an advantage in giving it away. It will take the Earth Alliance time to get used to the technology and to start producing designs that are competitive with Gundam and even then, from what little I've had time to glean from the Gundam wiki, there's still several more eras to go before Gundam tech progression plateaus, if they plateau.

 

* I suspect the size of Earth ships in B5 has a lot to do with the desire to build survivable and relevant warships as a technologically backward power that also happens to be uniquely gifted in either industrial capacity or possessing a bloody minded, stubborn willingness to commit exorbitant resources for military parity with races who have much better energy to mass ratios for their ships like the Centauri and League races. The Earth navy is probably atrociously expensive by the standards of their neighbors but its hard to argue with the results.

[Khas 12,158]

Actually, there are many different Gundam universes. Each one uses a different calendar, and different series take place within each universe. The different Universes, and the series set within them, are:

 

Universal Century: (Mobile Suit Gundam, The 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket, MS IGLOO, Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory, Zeta Gundam, Double Zeta Gundam, Char's Counterattack, Gundam Unicorn, Gundam F91, Victory Gundam)

 

Future Century: (G Gundam)

 

After Colony: (Gundam Wing, Endless Waltz)

 

After War: (Gundam X)

 

Anno Domini: (Gundam 00, Awakening of the Trail Blazer)

 

Cosmic Era: (Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny)

 

Advanced Generation: (Gundam AGE)

 

Correct Century: (Turn A Gundam)

[scvn2812 504]

Okay, well I'm not well versed enough in Gundam to say whether there's a tech plateau in place or over the horizon, if so it would be a consideration in bargaining for hyperspace technology with the Earth Alliance. A lot seems to hinge on to what degree the Gundam humans are numb to the suffering of their relatives from a parallel universe and if their alignment is pragmatic evil. Then there is always the long term possibility of the Vorlons and Shadows working to infiltrate this new and strange arrival who possesses military power comparable to their own, though perhaps not a direct answer to their supply of exotic force multipliers and superweapons and ensnare them into the great game for their own benefit. Given Gundam Sol is apparently balkanized, their Sol might end up as one of the fronts in the Vorlons and Shadows eternal war if neither is able to fully subvert all factions.