UFP vs. Tyranids,

[Jason 27]

It all depends three main can borg ship adapt to Tyranids weapons can the Borg assimilation them and can the hand weapons Borg have work against Tyranids.

[Jason 27]

Tyranids attack UFP colony. United Federation of planet send fleet respond in this maybe year Star Terk Nemius. The planet Tyranids would like win planet first round however after all Tyranids would weak come to microscopic robots used against special 8472. Doctor was able to making borg microscopic robots done number weeks.

[enigma 521]

Not the same, not even remotely the same. The moment the Hive fleet has taken control over a planet, the Federation is thoroughly screwed. If a colony is taken over then the whole planet is lost. Second, Starfleet would not send a fleet but a single ship to investigate. That ship would be lost to the Tyranids unless the captain is smart and gets the hell out of there and gets help. Even if help arrives, the 'Nids, if they don't have the firepower, they do have the tonnage and the numbers to overwhelm just about any fleet sent against them.

 

 

 

The best way to win against the 'Nids is to defeat them before they get near a planet. Anything else is a lost cause. Plus the UFP do not have the mindset to casually commit genocide so that is a big point against them.

 

 

 

But of course, you'll ignore everything I typed and post irrelevant youtube clips about you porking your mother.

[Jason 27]

Ok let chance one factoer they attack colony and then being attack other UFP colonies do think UFP going set watch do it or deploy cloak self republication mine fields to stop invasion and adapt other weapons could more effect when comes fighting the Tyranids like thalaron radiation.

[the atom 0]

Even if those things worked (they wouldn't), the Tyranids don't really care. The UFP could slay thousands without putting a dent in their numbers.

[enigma 521]

Ok let chance one factoer they attack colony and then being attack other UFP colonies do think UFP going set watch do it or deploy cloak self republication mine fields to stop invasion and adapt other weapons could more effect when comes fighting the Tyranids like thalaron radiation.

 

 

 

The Federation isn't going to do squat to the 'Nids. They will not deploy cloaked mines that publish literature on their own nor commit atrocities by using thalaron radiation. You do not realize that the moment the 'Nids control ONE. SINGLE. PLANET. everyone in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants are screwed. The UFP are not nasty butchers and will try to use all normal means of containing the Tyranids. They have no clue as to how the 'Nids operate. By the time they realize their error, it will be too late.

[Jason 27]

Even if those things worked (they wouldn't), the Tyranids don't really care. The UFP could slay thousands without putting a dent in their numbers.

 

In practice on way or other Tyranids going to get stop if UFP does heart us mean required it because likely Klingon cardassion, Dominion well. Beside more convents the UFP able handle push come sover section 31 not blow to do genicide besides see microscopic robots can kill the special 8472 . Section 31 like just kidnapped one to design borg mirscopic robot need to kill them. please do not tell me they do have hearts to do it.

[Jason 27]

In practice on way or other Tyranids going to get stop if UFP does heart us mean required it because likely Klingon cardassion, Dominion well.

[the atom 0]

In practice on way or other Tyranids going to get stop if UFP does heart us mean required it because likely Klingon cardassion, Dominion well. Beside more convents the UFP able handle push come sover section 31 not blow to do genicide besides see microscopic robots can kill the special 8472 . Section 31 like just kidnapped one to design borg mirscopic robot need to kill them. please do not tell me they do have hearts to do it.

 

 

 

I'm not saying they won't have the hearts to do it. I'm just saying they won't work. Tyranid bio-ships (though not ground organism mind you) managed to not only adapt to the life-eater virus (an omni-phasgic super-virus capable of turning the surface of entire worlds into flammable mush in a matter of hours), but came back a week later and sent the very same thing right back at the Imperial ships that tried it. Borg nano-probes are enthusiastic amateurs by comparison.

 

 

 

In any case, having the time to manufacture these nano-probes on a large scale means they survived and managed to hold off the hive-fleet for a sufficient period of time, which they won't.

[Jason 27]

I'm not saying they won't have the hearts to do it. I'm just saying they won't work. Tyranid bio-ships (though not ground organism mind you) managed to not only adapt to the life-eater virus (an omni-phasgic super-virus capable of turning the surface of entire worlds into flammable mush in a matter of hours), but came back a week later and sent the very same thing right back at the Imperial ships that tried it. Borg nano-probes are enthusiastic amateurs by comparison.

 

 

 

In any case, having the time to manufacture these nano-probes on a large scale means they survived and managed to hold off the hive-fleet for a sufficient period of time, which they won't.

 

 

 

Thier other major problem Tyranids would have the speed they travel at. If UFP unlikley UFP colony had contact with them in 2379 just after Star Terk Nemisus. Since Tyranids are limit much slower light speed in a star system gravity. So voyage form reach colony or star system take years even decades. If wish see go to this site and read http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Narvhal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let say take Tyranid three years which me nice still UFP by time reach the any major star system.UFP have starship phase cloaking device and phase cloak mines drop starship dephase they go off elimiation fleet before the third year.

[the atom 0]

Thier other major problem Tyranids would have the speed they travel at. If UFP unlikley UFP colony had contact with them in 2379 just after Star Terk Nemisus. Since Tyranids are limit much slower light speed in a star system gravity. So voyage form reach colony or star system take years even decades. If wish see go to this site and read http://warhammer40k....m/wiki/Narvhal.

 

 

 

The warhammer40k wiki also has megameter battleships that are crewed by billions. If it took years to get into a system then half the shit in the Ultramarines Space Marines Codex would never have happened in the time-frame it did.

 

 

 

So let say take Tyranid three years which me nice still UFP by time reach the any major star system.UFP have starship phase cloaking device and phase cloak mines drop starship dephase they go off elimiation fleet before the third year.

 

 

 

 

The Federation was still fucking up with unstable phase cloak prototypes well into the 2380s, so that's a most definite no.

[enigma 521]

Thier other major problem Tyranids would have the speed they travel at. If UFP unlikley UFP colony had contact with them in 2379 just after Star Terk Nemisus. Since Tyranids are limit much slower light speed in a star system gravity. So voyage form reach colony or star system take years even decades. If wish see go to this site and read http://warhammer40k....m/wiki/Narvhal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let say take Tyranid three years which me nice still UFP by time reach the any major star system.UFP have starship phase cloaking device and phase cloak mines drop starship dephase they go off elimiation fleet before the third year.

 

 

 

From your W40K link, "This page needs content. You can help by adding a sentence or a photo!" How does that help the UFP? I had to google the Narval and what I've read only just shows how diverse the 'Nids are. The moment a Narval ship locks onto a planet's gravitational field it begins to go FTL. Slow at first but the closer it gets the faster it becomes. But since in this scenario you've mentioned that the 'Nids have attacked a colony, it is moot. The colonists have been twiddling their thumbs up their collective asses as the Narval gets closer until it was too late. Jackass.

 

 

 

What you don't realize is that the majority of the Tyranids use the warp (not ST warp) for their FTL needs and it is quite fast. But yes, the 'Nids take their time. It takes about a month (as far as I know) from invasion to reducing a planet to a lifeless husk.

 

 

 

Now you've also mentioned that the 'Nids have been attacking other colonies. Well, my dim-witted, ass-breathing nemesis, this means that there would be more than one Hive fleet. Each with around 1,000 capital ships, each with a powerful collective Hive Mind, and billions of 'Nids mucking about. If one Hive Fleet is enough to doom the UFP and co., having more than one is plain overkill. Even in 40K, there have never been more than one Hive Fleet attacking planets and it took a long time to take one down.

 

 

 

The UFP will mistake the 'Nids as an organic version of the Borg and attack accordingly, but they would be gravely mistaken.

 

 

 

Also, do not introduce a one off tech in a debate. Phase dildos and cock rings, which you salivate over are prototypes and not production models. As atom mentioned, Starfleet has yet to produce a working one. Nor will they as long as the Treaty of Algernon is in effect. As for the mines and I may be stretching this a bit, would they even detect organic hulls or do the mines react to gravity masses? Even then, how would the UFP be able to produce a minefield large enough to stop the 'Nids when they can simply go around it and not only that, how are the Feds able lay the mines if they cannot track then in the warp? How will they know their exit point? Mines are useless in this scenario.

[Jason 27]

The warhammer40k wiki also has megameter battleships that are crewed by billions. If it took years to get into a system then half the shit in the Ultramarines Space Marines Codex would never have happened in the time-frame it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Federation was still fucking up with unstable phase cloak prototypes well into the 2380s, so that's a most definite no.

 

 

 

The warhammer40k wiki also has megameter battleships that are crewed by billions. If it took years to get into a system then half the shit in the Ultramarines Space Marines Codex would never have happened in the time-frame it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Federation was still fucking up with unstable phase cloak prototypes well into the 2380s, so that's a most definite no.

 

I am going ask simple question was Space Marines fighting the Tyranids in that book or were fighting other groups or both. Because space marine form that site us warp a differnt form of travel thent he Tyraniads http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warp

 

 

 

If that is the case not cannon vs cannon then it issues we to debate cows come home if not. Then UFP able to do hit run attack for both research and to try slow down and they can learn form these attacks. Both developing more effective tactics and design more powerful weapons to handle with and test out in live fire. By time they reach the star system development rate of UFP when fighting Dominion anything they have lot power starships once better design to fight these kind wars.

 

 

 

Also sooner or latter UFP having work phase cloaking device they had one by 31 century. Denial used device allow him walk though walls.

[enigma 521]

In short, UFP loses.

[Jason 27]

In short, UFP loses.

 

First I have another piece evidence that cloak self republication mines could would had been phase cloaking device on them. Fact Dominion able location every last mine just destroy mine field. Just knock out all mines at once would have been one way doing so be not single mine self republication it self. Unless of course phase cloaked. Add more evidence back claim please go http://www.startrek.com/videos/star-trek-enterprise/all/full/episode go to all find the video These Are The Voyages and go communication till 23 minute and and 55 seconds till Liston part were It outlaw cloak device on Starfleet vessels. What he means by vessel he must like means interstellar vessels.

 

 

 

So one hive would take mouth to total digestion a world. UFP has over 1,000 colonies and 150 major worlds. Give 20 years able to destroy about 240 worlds. Must worlds would be UFP colony and maybe few major worlds. By that time UFP have Transphasic torpedoes weapon that make quick work at any the Tyranid warships and ablative generators to protect against weapons. Of course put amount time it took alter timeline as form logic using. Of course the Federation get must stuff a lot sooner since UFP fighting a war of survival. The ablative generators might available as early first 5 years conflict. UFP might be using transphasic torpedoes during the being of this conflict since might save last option weapon against the Borgs.

[enigma 521]

No BS tech that has not been proven to be used by the Feds. transphasic torpedoes are alternate timeline technology with no canon evidence that it has been developed in the main timeline.

 

 

 

MINES ARE USELESS IN A THREE DIMENSIONAL ENVIRONMENT! It only worked in DS9 because they used it near the mouth of the wormhole. The Feds do not have enough time to manufacture billions upon billions of mines needed to encompass every single inhabited world in the UFP. It would be a waste of resources and energy for something that might not work on organic ships.

[Jason 27]

No BS tech that has not been proven to be used by the Feds. transphasic torpedoes are alternate timeline technology with no canon evidence that it has been developed in the main timeline.

 

 

 

MINES ARE USELESS IN A THREE DIMENSIONAL ENVIRONMENT! It only worked in DS9 because they used it near the mouth of the wormhole. The Feds do not have enough time to manufacture billions upon billions of mines needed to encompass every single inhabited world in the UFP. It would be a waste of resources and energy for something that might not work on organic ships.

 

There is soft cannon evidence the UFP had used Star Trek Online. Also fact UFP fighting like 10 to 20 year war they come up all types weapon technology like chance tide of battle. UFP development and deploy red matter weapon to hurt the stop hive but that time.

[enigma 521]

Also the ablative generator was never mentioned again after Endgame so it is lost tech until such time that CBS or Paramount decides to incorporate it in the future.

[enigma 521]

There is soft cannon evidence the UFP had used Star Trek Online. Also fact UFP fighting like 10 to 20 year war they come up all types weapon technology like chance tide of battle. UFP development and deploy red matter weapon to hurt the stop hive but that time.

 

 

 

Red matter is lost tech since AFAIK all of it was onboard Spock's ship and the Vulcans promised to stop producing it if you want to use STO.

 

 

 

What you seem to forget is that when a hive fleet consumes a world, it increases its fleet size. It can create more hive fleets. Let's say it takes two planets to create another hive fleet then the amount of time to consume every Fed planet drops by half. Those two consume another two planets then ten years becomes five, then two and a half, one and a quarter and so forth and so forth. Within a year it would be 64 fleets having consumed 126 planets and if those were member world then most of the Federation ceases to exist.

 

 

 

You need to understand that the Tyranids have consumed 1,000 GALAXIES! They are worse than the Borg.

[the atom 0]

First I have another piece evidence that cloak self republication mines could would had been phase cloaking device on them. Fact Dominion able location every last mine just destroy mine field. Just knock out all mines at once would have been one way doing so be not single mine self republication it self. Unless of course phase cloaked. Add more evidence back claim please go http://www.startrek....ll/full/episode go to all find the video These Are The Voyages and go communication till 23 minute and and 55 seconds till Liston part were It outlaw cloak device on Starfleet vessels. What he means by vessel he must like means interstellar vessels.

 

The fact that they're still having fatal accidents with prototype phase cloak devices well into the 2380's is rather telling that they don't in fact have this technology.

 

So one hive would take mouth to total digestion a world. UFP has over 1,000 colonies and 150 major worlds. Give 20 years able to destroy about 240 worlds. Must worlds would be UFP colony and maybe few major worlds. By that time UFP have Transphasic torpedoes weapon that make quick work at any the Tyranid warships and ablative generators to protect against weapons. Of course put amount time it took alter timeline as form logic using. Of course the Federation get must stuff a lot sooner since UFP fighting a war of survival. The ablative generators might available as early first 5 years conflict. UFP might be using transphasic torpedoes during the being of this conflict since might save last option weapon against the Borgs.

 

 

This assumes that they'll slowly gnaw on one world at a time, which they won't.

[enigma 521]

Here's a typical timeline of how the Tyranids consume a world taken from the Lexicanum website.

 

 

 

Day 00: Initial mycetic spores are dropped, generally containing Lictors or Genestealers. Infiltration force led by a synapse creature of some kind; reproduction of Tyranid creatures likely begins immediately.

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• Day 09: By day 9, Tyranids will have expanded to around 200 km from the drop point, and will likely present a significant threat to planetary defence forces troopers and resident Imperial Guard.
   
  
• Day 13: Tyranids will have expanded to 700 km from the drop point; may begin infesting local water sources.
   
  
• Day 37: Tyranids control area within 2000 km radius of the drop point; basolithic infestation to 5000 km radius.
   
  
• Day 48: Tyranid population growth skyrockets, with population doubling approximately every 2.5 days.
   
  
• Day 50: Main Hive Fleet arrives, craft generally numbering around 1.5 billion. Psychic contact with planet is cut off by the shadow of the Hive Mind. Any attempts to escape are quickly stopped by the Hive Fleet.
   
  
• Day 51: Primary consumption of bio-mass begins (resistance has generally been eliminated by day 51). Brood ships land, releasing Ripper swarms, which consume all remaining organic material and depositing them at the reclamation pools. Capillary towers (and the Brood ships) send the material into orbit.
   
  
• Day 80: The hive ships descend into the upper atmosphere and begin collecting it. Reduction in atmospheric pressure causes oceans to boil away, which are also collected. Lack of oceans causes plate tectonic shifts, dramatically increasing volcanic activity. Upon completion, the Hive Fleet move out of the system in search of fresh prey.
   
  
• Day 100: Imperial navy arrives in response to the distress call to find the world lifeless.
   
  

 

 

 

 

The 'Nids sneak in some of their own onto a planet and then they begin infest the local population and begin taking over. Usually by the time that they are noticed, it is too late to deal with them and then soon after the main hive fleet arrives.

 

 

 

Notice that when the main Hive fleet arrives, it contains 1.5 BILLION crafts. Granted, only a small fraction are capital ships but it is enough to swarm Starfleet's entire fleet of ships.

[enigma 521]

Here is the description of how they take over and consume a planet's resources from the same website Lexicanum.

 

 

 

 

Planetary Assimilation

 

 

 

In the process of assimilating a planet's biological and inorganic materials, the most important part for the Tyranids is the location of a suitable target. One method by which they accomplish this is the spectral analysis of distant stars to determine its likelihood of supporting life.⁴ However, the fastest and most common method is the use of vanguard organisms, millions of which range hundreds of light-years ahead of each Hive Fleet, investigating each star system they encounter for signs of life.⁴ Once a suitable world has been detected, these bio-vessels spawn infiltrator-organisms, such as Lictors, Genestealers, or specialized Gaunt strains, and launch them onto the world via Mycetic Spores. Once inserted, these organisms will seek out all life and target those of a highly-organized nature, such as humans, restricting themselves to lone targets so as to avoid revealing their presence.⁴ Genestealers in particular will seek to infiltrate communities and create cults, not only to signal the planet is ripe for consumption but to weaken its defenses against the Hive Fleet's arrival.⁴

 

As the psychic beacon of the infiltrator-organisms flourishes, indicating a rich feeding ground, so does Hive Fleet home in on it, in the process cutting off all interstellar communications as the Shadow in the Warp blankets the target system. Upon arrival to the planet, the Hive Fleet will disperse within the planet's upper atmosphere and begin launching millions upon millions of Mycetic Spores.⁵ Many will contain Tyranid warriors of various strains, from Rippers to Bio-Titans, and so come in a multitude of sizes. Others will deliver zoomorphic symbiotes and parasites, which target and mutate the planet's flora at a rapid rate. Within hours verdant forests are replaced with highly-aggressive alien vegetation, including Capillary Towers, which begins the process of transforming the planet's atmosphere into a hothouse, turning the sky a sickly red and raising temperatures at an accelerating rate.⁵ Other spores are nothing more than giant cyst-bombs, filled with viral and poisonous organisms which burst over population centers, killing millions of people in the opening hours of the attack. Each one will cover an area many hundreds of meters across with acidic digestive bile, starting the process of future ingestion.⁵

 

After the initial attack, vast swarms of flying Gargoyles will herd the native population into the path of fast-moving hordes of Gaunts to be viciously slaughter. The defender, often underestimating the Tyranid's intelligence, make fighting retreats to buy themselves time to regroup from the onslaught, only to be encircled and destroyed as it becomes apparent they were merely herded into prepared killing grounds.⁵ These last pockets of resistance will become the targets of larger Tyranid species, from Warriors to Carnifexes and Bio-Titans, which eradicate the defenders with sheer offensive power.⁵

 

With resistance ended, consumption of the planet's resources begins. Bacterial agents and vast tracts of feeder organisms, pupated from the carcasses of native life forms, ravage the landscape of every ounce of biological matter before being collected into Reclamation Pools, where the matter is rendered into a thick, nutrient-rich gruel.⁶ This includes all mutated plant-life, which has finished altering the atmosphere into an oxygen-rich environment, and any infested organisms, who march blank-faced into pools' depths to be consumed by the Hive Fleet.⁶ As the digestion pools swell, the Hive Fleet's ships cluster in low orbit as vast capillary towers emerge to link with proboscis-like feeding tubes and pump the biomass into them.⁶ The final stage of the harvest is the consumption of the world's atmosphere and seas, with vast drone-ship haulers descending to low orbit and sucking up every useful element left. Eventually the Hive Fleet will depart, having left the world a desolate airless rock stripped down to the molecular level, to begin the consumption process on another world.⁶

[enigma 521]

Note that the timeline is based on a major world and not a colony. Invasion of small colonies would obviously take much less time since there is effectively no resistance.

 

 

 

Oh, and the hive fleet does not attack just one world. They can attack more than one simultaneously.

[Jason 27]

Here's a typical timeline of how the Tyranids consume a world taken from the Lexicanum website. The 'Nids sneak in some of their own onto a planet and then they begin infest the local population and begin taking over. Usually by the time that they are noticed, it is too late to deal with them and then soon after the main hive fleet arrives. Notice that when the main Hive fleet arrives, it contains 1.5 BILLION crafts. Granted, only a small fraction are capital ships but it is enough to swarm Starfleet's entire fleet of ships.

 

 

 

First the the main fleet does even come in till 50 day so colony be around for at least 50 days. Fact they crush all resistance in 51 day of attack. So differnt between so it might few hours differnt between colony major planetary system.

[the atom 0]

That's 51 days to overpower your average PD forces, which is far more resistance they will ever encounter from any Federation world save the perhaps the major ones like Earth. Even then, the planet in question is basically fucked. It's only matter of whether the Federation lets them take the world, or bombs it from orbit. Either way, they lose a planet.