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If the Covenant wanted to they could throw their Slipspace engines into a star or open a rift in it from outside Foreruner-like and casue a Super Nova. Besides, the one you showed is a rare or lost tech since I believe it needs stable-whatever they call the stuff made by the Warp Cores. From what I know they need to make it stable to use for this.

No, it is giving us the idea of just how powerful the Hypermatter Reactors are by comparing it to the output of a small star.

*Rolls eyes* Yes, saying that something canon is stupid means it didn't happen the way canon said it did. How about you start explaining how the Covenant can do what they did at Jericho VII when they top out at low MT tops by your say so? What is really funny is you say I'm proclaiming it when the goddamn canon books tells me what happened. Unknown, at least several kilometers away. But that's besides the point, the point is that and this was a small scale tactical glassing used to wipe out a base. They completely leveled that hill with just their heavy weapons on those small filers. How about you learn to understand I am saying that less than half of Africa was glassed? How about you prove it wasn't suffering from the massive effects of what could be far less than half a Afirca glassed. In fact, yeah at this point it wasn't literally glassed because the Elites didn't want to do heavy damage to the planet and that it is just the common name used for all forms of heavy plasma bombardment. In the end the impact site of where the plasma hits will be glassed, but not the areas beyond if they don't do a heavy bombardment. And you know the state of the planet how? Even if they did take out half a continent , even though Hood was likely using hyperbole on the size of the area glassed, what do you base Earth being fine on? How much of the planet did you see? Prove that Earth wasn't suffering from these effects. Show me that it wasn't suffering from it when it was most likely happening off screen at other points around the world. No, these beams are meant for low level glassings and for uncovering relics, they are not for combat at all as the name would suggest.

I am not seriously claiming any of this is right Jason, but I thought since Mith wants to cherry pick I would show him that he has a lot of low ends too. More low ends than me. The double standards here are just laughable really. I mean really, do you think I take the terrawatt seriously? You want to force low ends on Halo and take yields that don’t agree with the bulk of ST mid-double digit MT as standard. And yet how funny that was the amount mention to have drained the shields and you are contradicting yourself because you claim they have 1 GT range torps and yet say: “Or how about the fact that any low-yield nuclear weapon would punc through those shields with ease?†Funny how now they can be defeated by low yield nukes when you want but throw around weapons more powerful when you want. I mean I can’t believe you are taking this seriously really that I am claim this as standard ST firepower somehow. You want to show Halo low ends that even disagree with some rather important (and more minor) events in the games: PoA 1000+ km fireball that is 120+ TT and yet the ring material was strong enough to take it. Halo: CE again: The Longsword going by the timer crossed 20,000 kilometers in 90 seconds, far beyond what real world fusion is capable of. Halo 2: UNSC start firing at the same time as the SMAC Platforms, which going by the low end SMAC round speed of 0.04 C gives us an interesting low end of 0.01 C for the SMAC round which if I recall the calculation correctly is around 650 Megatons of KE. Funny thing is I can use this to support the Encyclopedia speeds of 40% and 50% the speed of light. Halo 3: The Covenant uncover the 108 kilometer Ark Portal in 14 or so days, and doesn’t appear to have been more than 6 ships. Halo 3: The Forward Unto Dawn covers a greater distance in about the same amount of time as the fighter from H:CE. So, lets see, going off the 900 or so GT needed for the Covenant ship in FS to cross 10,000 kilometers in 18 seconds, which [quoting Nattuo from SB for the calcs] Here's a fun one, a frigate in First Strike covers ten thousand Km in 18 seconds(it also had a Covenant ship stuck on, but we'll ignore that for now) using the same one tonne mass ejection assumption I made before, and using the 6,000 tonne figure. It is generating 16.4 gigatons a second. Assuming the frigate carries the standard 1.17 teraton MAC, and assuming it takes a minute to charge(and for no apparent reason, assuming the coilgun and engines have comparable efficiencies/power) then over 60 seconds the ship will have generated 983.56 gigatons of kinetic energy. Which is eerily comparable(if we assume energy is the be-all end-all requirement).[unquote] Funny, isn’t it, how the book and Halo 3 agree here on the acceleration, huh? Now, lets look at books. TFoR: 36 Covenant ships glass a world in 1-12 hours with just their plasma torpedoes, boiling away the oceans and atmosphere. FS: Covenant ships glass almost the entire planet of Reach, leaving only a single area intact (intact compared to the rest of it anyways). The Spartans also mentioned the continuing and very strange fact you seem to have trouble with that most Human worlds lack oceans and atmospheres after the Covenant pay a visit to it (Halopedia is currently not loading so I can not check The Return/Glassing page at this time). FS: Again, we have the showing of a heavily damaged ready to fall apart Covenant ship being powered only by the inferior and also heavily damaged human frigate Gettysburg one shot a 3 kilometer asteroid with a single plasma torpedo through “uneven internal heating†which is at least low GT range. Ghost of Onyx: The NOVA Bomb is detonated above a Covenant colony world. It is stated to be nine nuclear fusion warheads that when detonated have the yield increased a hundredfold. Low end calcs put this at 1.2 Petatons, high end 1+ Exaton. Each of these nukes is 1/900th the yield of a single NOVA Bomb. I think that does it for the books, so lets tally it up know: 5 Game events, 5 Book events that so far fall into line with GT to TT range firepower. Interesting how there are higher canon events that support me. Now for ye old low ends from the games: MAC gun firing in H3, Assault carrier getting holed by a small chunk of High Charity (Scene doesn’t really make sense, that should have been moving at least several thousand KPS given how far away HC was), and the secondary broadside weapons from Halo Wars. Total events that from games that can not be reconciled: 3. Now for ye old low ends from the books: 80 MT reference in TFoR, 30MT Nuke field in GoO, the magic 30 km/s MAC round that cross 3,000 kilometers in seconds, Archer missiles if you ignore the KE given by being able to accelerate to 0.09 C. That’s all I can think of right off the top of my head, so: Total events from books that can not be reconciled: 2. Total Low end book events shown here: 4. Please point out anything I may have forgotten and it will be added later. Final Tally: 5 High End Game Events and 5 High End Book Events. 3 Low End Game Events and 2-4 Book Events. Feel free to point out anything I haven’t already reconciled with other canon events. How strange I have reconciled many of the events you claim show the lower canon is wrong and that the bulk of canon supports me. How funny you continue to ignore what is a canon showing of what Bungie thinks a full scale glassing would look like. Really funny how we completely ignore canon events and claim contradictions where know exist.

It says it testing an improved prototype, nothing about it being completely new on Starships. I didn't say it was a normal version, I said "So it was not a normal Hypermatter reactor."

The one in the goddamn ending of Halo: CE I’ve already linked you to!!!! The fact is the reason there was 5 kilometer crater would be the fact that the ring was strong enough to take it without that much damage at that point compared to the size of the ring. I know I sound like my brother when I say this: BUT LEARN TO READ!!!! I SAID THAT HALF OF AFRICA WAS THE HYPERBOLE, NOT THE GLASSING! Yeah, I’m not claiming that is a standard showing like you are trying to do with the Covenant. I am demonstrating that canon is not prefect all the time. Show the damage done to the Covenant destroyer, you know, the only real warship there? And it does matter what the Phoenix is because as far as we know it had no armor on it, so was not viable warships especially since it was just a transport ship. So nice try twisting canon by claiming a modified colony ship = Covenant warship. I’ll check it later then. Yes I have. I have easily reconciled all the canon sources I know of on glassing when there is zero need for a contradiction. You’re the one that isn’t seeing the logic here. I have done my best to reconcile the sources when all you do is immediately, without even attempting to reconcile the canon source with others, throw it out. That is not how the canon works, if it can be reconciled with other facts as I have done it stays, if you can show something where there is a clear cut contradiction where there is nothing holding the Covenant back fine, it goes then. *Notes Mith is once again ignoring multiple canon showings of planets being glassed and that they can vary in level* *Notes again that Mith continues to completely ignore canon sources that show planets missing atmospheres and oceans after a half a day.* *Notes Mith has moved to personal attacks again showing that he can't defend his argument after it has been shown that there is a more logical and canon friendly approach that makes sense* I have shown the Covenant glassings vary based off the fact that they have to hold back when there are Forerunner relics. Canon Fact. I have shown that glassing is used to refer to the impact of plasma weaponry from their ships against planets, it is just the common name that they use for any version of it in the war. Canon Fact. Ignore? I do my best to minimize contradictions that you think exist but don’t. And that was the goddamn Torpedo itself, as I said read in context which says it roared over head meaning it was moving. I happily point out that the ships taken out by the 30MT mines where already damaged from pervious battles when the UNSC fleet ticked them off again (I should have the quotes on that tomorrow). The 80 MT is overruled by multiple other sources in the books that show higher firepower feats. I do not ignore the HE and point out that Archers would normally impact with MT level KE given how Halo space battles normally play out. I haven’t ignored a single High End from ST you or I have brought up. Fact: Your high ends are one offs never seen again in the show, or at least only twice at best. Fact: The Covenant are noted in multiple canon sources over and over again as leaving behind worlds lacking oceans and atmospheres as a major plot point and we have showings of this being normal firepower from the asteroid destroyed in First Strike. The ring width up/down comes out to around 315 kilometers based off the ending cut scene in Halo: CE which I have already linked you to. And I ask this: Was this the planet Earth or some other ordinary planet that can be easily quantified? No, you lose. The fireball from the PoA from the end of H:CE is 1000+ kilometers in diameter which means ring material is capable of taking it without a massive crater being left behind. Not on a Halo ring since we have seen them take 120+ TT range explosions based off visuals and only leave a 5 kilometer crater. That means that the ring material is on the order of what a Niven Ring is made of. I’ve linked you to the scene from the game itself already, didn’t you watch it? *Notes that this time Mith ignores both the game and books which specified the PoA as being the only thing involved in the destruction of the ring* *Notes continued attacks* Just stop say it was me, I’m not that big an idiot and don’t start insulting people for no real reason if they don’t start it first. Edit.

Cont. Above post. Yes, nuclear weapons which can be a possible threat to ships hundreds or thousands of kilometers away. Hell, lets not forget the fact that the UNSC bother to make the NOVA Bomb. So, if they can be taken out by MT range warheads, than why did the UNSC waste resources on the NOVA when they could have put it into the largest nuke spam in history? No, it doesn’t matter if they call it glassing because that is what it is refer to no matter what the scale of it is, from small filers blasting a hill into a mirror smooth surface up to just the area around the impact and including a blacken ball of glass that used to be a Earth-like planet. The end result will have glassed areas at and around the impact site, but we know that the only time we see fully glass planets is 1: When there are no Forerunner relics to force them to hold back. 2: The only time we see full scale glassings is when Plasma Torpedoes are used on the planet. Halo: Reach so far supports this by 50 gigaton explosions on it. Plasma Torpedo, those pesky things with the GT-TT range yield you keep ignoring and cherry picking something lower that makes no sense when taken in context with many other sources. It is just the common name used for when the Covenant bomb an area with plasma weapons. The area around the impact site will be glassed, but the Covenant have to do a full scale glassing to blast away the oceans and atmosphere to the get the standard effect. No, I have shown that it is just what they are called no matter the scale of the glassing. Its shall canon and has been easily reconciled by taking into account all canon showings of glassing and how there are different, say ‘levels’ of it. Book. And you should care because it is still canon and that is not going to change anytime soon. That was the plasma torpedoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*Nerdrage* *Rolls eyes* And that changes the fact they still have massive KE how? The fact is they could still reach 0.09 of C and the KE that comes with it. And most of the time the Covenant ships are holding their ground which means they hit with that level of KE. And that changes the fact they bothered to put HE warheads on something that can have MT range KE how? We have seen HE that is in the MT range at least based off the amount of KE. We have seen 100 meter wide PLASMA TORPEDOES, SO GREAT JOB NOT READING THE ENTIRE THING AND TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT. We have seen partially glassed worlds. *Rolls eyes* No, you’re the idiot that doesn’t get it because normal the Covenant ships are holding their ground and fighting when Archers are fired meaning they will hit with that level of KE.

Stupid? They want to wipe every last trace of humanity from the Galaxy! That’s the entire point of them going to this extreme because the Prophets don’t want it to be know that humans are Forerunner! This is the result of a small scale glassing done by just Banshee fighter heavy weapons. You keep ignoring the canon fact that any and all Covenant orbital bombardments are called glassing because the end result at least at the impact site is going to be glass. When the Covenant do a full scale glassing they move their warships into orbit and began glassing at the poles and move down from there until the oceans are gone and the entire planet is an airless blacken ball. Hood was likely using hyperbole on just how large an area they glassed. Note I am saying that they didn’t blow up half the continent and not claiming that the glassing was hyperbole. Another funny things is they use Excavation Beams which are not even real weapons and are just for uncovering Forerunner relics. It does matter what weapon they used because it was easily weaker than their ship to ship weapons. The point is they want to minimize the damage to the planet in the end.

It was a new version of the Hypermatter reactor being tested for the DS that exploded. So it was not a normal Hypermatter reactor.

Agreed. Looked far better when it could take up most of the screen Fusion Reactors? No, they use Hypermatter reactors as mentioned in many canon sources such as The Death Star and the ICS books (and no, I'm not getting into anything over firepower from the ICS books).

Highest end? I haven’t even brought up how the UNSC have nukes that have 1/900th the yield of the NOVA Bomb. No, we have seen what happens to planets with relics on them. You are forcing a completely unnecessary contradiction that is easily reconciled as I pointed out in the above post. How funny this HE warheads are used when the missiles have a KE in the MT range, isn’t it? Oh, but lets not let that get in the way of ignoring canon over and over. Get the damn facts straight at least, it was 14 nukes Vs. 15 Heavily Damaged Covenant ships. Contradicted by glassings and Halo Encyclopedia and the games. You mean those fusion reactors that allow them to pull at least 64,00 Gs of acceleration when heavily damaged? The on the PoA with the 1,000+ kilometer fireball that is 120 TT at least? Hyperbole, he was using hyperbole when he said “half of Africaâ€, oh, and lets not forget that there was a giant Forerunner relic nearby, that fact they didn’t want to wreak the planet and the fact you don’t know anything about the state at that time. Or did you get the version where they mentioned the damage to the rest of the planet? Outlier, like when we saw what could be at best a 20 Megajoule hit damage the Defiant. You mean the converted colony ship with no armor that took damage when it rammed into the Covenant ship and did no damage to the Covenant ship? And I don’t believe we get to see any damage done by the Covenant ship by the SoF weapons. Or are you going to suggest they fire GT TT range weapons at each other when they are TOUCHING EACH OTHER? Yeah, unless you can explain how they make oceans and atmospheres disappear after they do a full scale glassing, yeah. Though I’m just going with the latest canon source I have, the Halo Encyclopedia, until another canon sources comes out and knocks me over the head with something that can’t be reconciled with other events. Who the hell said anything about impressing? The point is to completely remove all traces of the humans. This is the Covenant we’re talking about. You know, the Covenant that has been noted in multiple canon sources as removing oceans and atmospheres from worlds in less than a day? That Covenant? Quote? Link? And I’ve shot down Halo Wars and you are not proving anything with Halo 3 unless you are going to suggest they went and glassed the entire planet. Sure, I’ll play nice if you will agree that 1: The Covenant were holding back at Harvest. 2 It is within the Covenants capabilities in canon sources to completely glass planets as shown in multiple canon sources. I’ll take the firepower between low GT and 50 GT for Plasma Torps going of the Halo: Reach trailer and a Covenant fleet of around 10,000-12,000 ships and give you mid hundred MT level for standard Torps, emphasis on standard, and the 30,000 ship UFP fleet. I’ll what for your reply before replying to the rest of this post and the other except for one small thing I‘ll finish here. The fireball was 1000+ kilometers in diameter based off of the width of the ring up/down relative to the MC on the Longsword which gives us around 320 kilometers. And so what if it only left a 5 kilometer crater? Are you going to tell me we should just throw this out because the ring material was so strong that even a 120 Teraton hit only left a small pinprick in comparison to the size of the ring? We have the following options: 1. The PoA went off with a high TT range blast based off of visuals, the ring super structure was so strong it only left a 5 kilometer crater. 2: We ignore the visuals from the game, and assume the ring was so weak that a 450 MT explosion destabilized it. Hell, how do you also explain the fact that it flattened and sterilized the surface of the ring from one end to the other with only 450 MT? Also stop saying it was me at Sci-Forums because it wasn't. That was the little brother from hell who main goal is just to cause me harm in one way or another.

Part 1 Yeah or 3: Their religious fanatics, and their leaders want to completely wipe every last trace of Humanity from the galaxy… Hey! Guess what Mith! Halo Canon happens to once again agree with me. What? "Tragic, tragic misunderstanding?" The Covenant wiped humans off the face of Harvest and started looking for the Forerunner relic before they boiled away the oceans and atmopsheres. And as I've said before it doesn't matter if they said glased or not, because we know that is what Covenant orbital strikes are called everytime no matter the scale. No, higher canon has shown us a glassing down by Covenant Destroyers whe were not even using their standard glassing weapons which are plasma torpedoes... hey, you did you know that everytime the Covenant did a full scale glassing we see lots and lots of plasma torepdoes because of the fact that the planet lacked Forerunner relics. Also, see option 3 back at the top again. You mean the HE warheads they put on even though we know that they have a MT range Ke from the fact they chased after a Covenant ship doing 100,000 KPH for a second before being shot down? That HE? No, I said several thousand kilometers, you said super massive city. That planet had a Forerunner relic on it. The Covenant wanted it intact. Notice how Jerichoe VII lacked a Forerunner relic and after the Covenatn did a glassing it was oddly missing oceans and atmosphere and noted as a glassed over wasteland. Odd, isn't it? 80 MT quote is overruled by Halo Enc. 40C quote per Halo Canon Policy of New>Old. HE warheads on missiles that could reach 100,000 KPH. Damaged Covenant ship being powered only by a damaged UNSC Frigate was able to one shot a 3 kilometer asteroid through "uneven internal heating" which is at least low GT range. Its not a starwman. Lets look at a long series of glassings from the books and games and note some interesting facts, shall we? 1. Halo Wars: Harvest colony, glassed Excavation Beams which are not even really weapons. Note the fact their was a relic on it that the Covenant wanted. 2. Halo 3: The Covenant partly glass a Covenant to wipe out the Flood. Note that it had a very large Forerunner relic on it and the fact the Elites were held back by the Arbiter. Note that the when Hood said "half of Africa" he may have been using hyperbole on the scale of it. 3. TFoR: 36 Covenant ships boil away the oceans and atmosphere of an Earth-like planet in 1 or 12 hours. There was no Forerunner relic on it. Note the lack of a Forerunner relic that would have made the Covenant hold back here and the fact that they used plasma torpedoes. 4. FS: The Covenant do a glassing that is just short of a full scale glasing, most likely because when it began Human ships were still in system. Note the fact that it had a relic on it that forced the Covenant to hold back once again. Though this time they did use Plasma Torps, the UNSC have seen the Covenant hold back before when there was something and they waited for UNSC ships to leave system before stopping so they didn't come back like with Harvest. 5. Hundreds and dozens of other glass worlds mention i the books: All appear to have oddly been lacking Forerunner relics and suffered the lost of all their oceans and the atmosphere because of that. Odd isn't, that the Covenant held back because of a Foreruner relic like in every other canon source, huh? Not only that, lets have a nice little quote from yet another canon source: How odd isn't as mentioned in other canon sources that Reach was going to be lacking oceans and also an atmosphere (or at least the natural one would be gone at any rate). This is very odd how everytime the Covenant glass a world with not relics to hold them back said planets oddly are missing oceans and atmospheres and become glassed over wastelands. Are are you going to suggest the planets wreaked themselves because the Covenant asked really nicely? Doesn't matter because everything is easily reconciled because the only time we see glassings in the games is when there are relics that the Covenant want intact, not blown apart. Are you seeing the pattern here yet Mith? Planet with relic = snowball. Planet without rleic = glassed ball with no oceans or atmosphere. This is very easy to grasp. And don't go crying strawman again because the relics have to do with everything. There were 14 30MT nukes, at least get the facts correct please. Besides, the Covenant fleet was already damaged from combat with Onyx Drones and a freaking UNSC ship blowing up in the middle of their fleet? Oddly enough, the ships that had shields up easily survived those nukes. Already shot that HE bit out of the water. 80MT nuke is an outlier, there are other secnes that show higher firepower and they are shown far more offtent then this one off. Right, and a 1000+ kilometer fireball is just their for shits and giggles in HCE? *Points at Halo 3* And you what do you call that?

Hell, even if we go with lower firepower, the Covenant easily have a fleet large enough to steamroll the UFP and allies in the end. I mean the Covenant took a loss of nearly a thousand ships in two weeks and a 30 kilometer station and it was only a "meh" event. Not to mention the other mounting losses over the years of the war that didn't leave any noticeable dent in their forces.

Flawed. Unlike the USSR the Covenant can carry out this threat with “the largest nuclear weapon†ever, or did you miss the major plot point where dozens or even hundreds of worlds had a lack of oceans and atmopsheres after the Covenant came rolling through? Also, should I note this as an attempt at flaming? Several thousand+ kilometers is more than enough land for 20 million people. And I simple asked because it may be possible. And I said they all lived in one big massive city when? True, I was just saying it seemed like it was a dying planet. Also: Terrafrorming. You mean the explanation that runs right in the face of multiple other canon sources and the story and major plot point that fully glass worlds end up like Jericho VII? Please explain to me why the Covenant would do a full scale glassing when they have yet to recover the Forerunner artifact they were there for. We have multiple showings of what the Covenant do to a human world without an artifact on it. You want to force a completely unnecessary contradiction between canon sources when it is not needed. So how about you show some proof that supports your claim that this is a recton instead of a small scale glassing? TDiC: Super Weapons. The Die is Cast does not match up with the bulk of the ST series. You do know that boiling away the oceans shows superior firepower than just killing all life, which is the point, right? When the Covenant conquer a human they glass every last centimeter of it to ensure that they remove the heretical presence of the humans. And who cares if it is a waste of energy, it is a showing of superior firepower which the Covenant have done dozens or even hundreds of times per canon. Obsession Bomb? Outlier, never mentioned or seen again even when it would have been helpful Obsession Bomb? TDiC: Notes large lack of giant holes in the crust showing the mantle. TDiC, most likely explanation is a rare type of super weapon (See Mr.O’s Protomatter idea again). And? If you want to use the Obsession Bomb which is suppose to be half an ounce of super-antimatter that can fit in something the size of a bowling ball so what? No matter what, TDiC is an outlier that is bested explain by rare Super Weapons. No, we both have several ST series and movies with both low and high showings, and I have four great games and half a dozen New York Times bestsellers books with both. And I have shown evidence from the games that support me on multiple occasions. So what if they called it glassing? Covenant orbital strikes, orbital bombardments etc. are called glassings every time they are mentioned. It does not matter if they called it glassing in the end because we know the Covenant can partially glass planets as while as scale full glassings. FTL combat between ships both at warp you mean. And the fleet battles happen at STL speeds. Also, quotes for the 2/3rd of light speed. So UFP ships now go on dangerous missions with Admirals on board without a full load of torpedoes now do they? Also as per normal rules Visuals>Dialogue. Err, 98% of Star Trek? The time that the Ent rammed that super ship in ST: Nemesis at low speed? That ship that rammed the Narada? The 1 terrawatt is greater than the Ent can produce? The 400 Gigawatts taking down the shields? Pegasus asteroid? Err, the Breen attack on San Francisco: Err, 98% of ST again? Now let us look at examples from the games (with a bit of book support on the first one) that show high firepower: Fusion reactors go critical at 0:56. http://www.youtube.c...feature=related 1,000 kilometer+ fireball comes out to around 120 Teratons. End of Halo:CE: Longsword is 15,000-20,000 thousand kms away from the PoA when it blows. This took about a minute and a half. Halo 2 the UNSC fleet opens up at the same time as the ODPs (Orbital Defense Platforms) when the Covenant fleet enters the kill zone. Halo 3 the Covenant are able to uncover the Portal in the area of 10 days down to as little as a few hours. The Portal is somewhere in the area of 108 kilometers going by Halopedia on what is seen in game near the end. End of Halo 3: The FUD does a greater distance in about the same amount of time as the Longsword at the end of H:CE. Falls Under The Lowest Canon but is the trailer for the next game: Halo: Reach trailer fireballs in the mid-double digit Gigaton range.

1. And yet we have showings of them needing nearly the entire payload of their Photon Torps (250-300 total torps) to destroy a 10 kilometer hollow asteroid. Besides, given the lack of showings of this sort of firepower elsewhere they are most likely using super weapons of some sort in TDiC. 2. What the hell do Gay Clowns have to do with the UFP destroying planets?

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. Now this suggests that five years into the Human-Covenant War that the Covenant did not have the fleet numbers to quickly crush humanity which flies in the face of other established Halo canon that show that the Covenant Navy can deploy hundreds of ships in days and aford to loss these ships without any dent in the Covenant Navy. Now: 1. The Covenant couldn't find UNSC worlds easily, due to the Cole protocol. This would mean that if the Arbiter wanted to take the entire fleet he would have to search thousands if not tens of thousands of star systems with it, which suggests a large number of ships for the Covenant Navy, not a small number. 2. There is zero reason to trust The Prophet of Regret in this case for the following reasons A: He is military incompetent as shown when he attacks Earth in H2 - defended by 300 SMAC Stations and at least 75 ships - with a fleet of only two Assault Carriers and 13 CCCS class-Battlecruisers. His comments also run in direct contrast to an Elite, who is not only a trained military commander(and therefore much more knowledgeable on the subject of the Covenant fleet status) but also less likely to lie being wrapped up in honor issues. B: He tries to secure this supposedly vital facility with the smallest Covenant fleet ever seen, made up of some of the lightest ship classifications in the Covenant Navy. 3. Regret could also have been in it for personal glory, finding the largest reliquary in all of Covenant history would have propelled him to being the greatest amongst equals(Truths position). It should be noted this is supported by canon (H:TCP). So, comments?

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That is partly incorret. It was 14 (though the book did mention 16 to, but that may have been a typo) split into two fields of 7 mines each, the Covenant fleet had split in half to move around the Onyx's moon when the mines were blown up in their faces. This mine field taking down the shields of all but 4 ships and destroying the others is also after battling with the powerful Onyx Drones and having a UNSC ship blow up in the middle of the fleet. Besides, there are many other feats such as ones from the games and other books: 1. Halo: CE the PoA fusion reactors detonated with a force of 100+ Teratons based off the size of the fireball. 2. Halo: CE the Longsword with fusion engines is able to cross 20,000 kilometers in 90 seconds (90 seconds cames from the timer for when the PoA goes off). 3. Halo 3 the FuD is able to cover a great distance in about the same amount of time. 4. We also have from First Strike when a Covenant with a UNSC frigate stuck to it cross 10,000 kilometers in 18 seconds, or around 65,00 Gs. Calculations have put this just below 1 Teraton. 5. FS again, the AJ which is at this point ready to fall apart and is being powered by the Gettysburg's reactor is able to shatter a 3 kilometer asteroid through "uneven internal heating" which is at least low GT range. IT should also be noted the UNSC consider backpack size 30 MT nukes a tactical device on the ground.

General Order 24 as I recall was just the destruction of population centers. Still impressive, but could be done with MT level firepower. TDiC... On that, I prefer to entertain the idea they used superweapons of some sort for that even though the start of the bombing doesn't match up. The thing with the Covenant is they use standard ship to ship weapons for a full scale glassing as seen here at Jericho VII. Hell, the only reason Harvest was like it was in the games was because there was a Forerunner relic that forced the Covenant to hold back on the glassing. And since I'm on Plasma Torpedos, it should be noted they have been clocked doing 150,000 kilometers per second and seem to have 9 light second ranges and can be guided to hit targets at that range.

And? All they could do is just kill all the life, so I will ask these questions: 1. Do we know how sparse the population of the people on this planet is? How do we know they are not bunched up within several thousand kms of each other? 2. How sparse is life on this world in general? It seems already rather dead to me looking at it. And even so, the Covenant go far beyond just killing all life: They boil away the oceans, glass the crust to an unknown depth, and boil away the atmosphere. The energy needed to boil away the oceans of an Earth-like planet per AtomicRockets is in the area of 1 EXATON. What the Ent would end up doing is just killing all life on the planet. The Covenant kill all life on the planet, glass the crust, boil away the oceans and glass that part of the crust, and of course boil away first the natural atmosphere and then the second one made out of the vaproized ocean and crust.

Will, here is a quote from TFoR. Now we only have two problems with this quote: 1. It says the atmosphere would be gone the next day, despite the fact that the energy needed to vaproize the oceans has been added. This is simply solved because the vaproized ocean and crust would replace the first atmosphere. 2. It says that areas were glassy smooth and glowing red-hot in patches. This makes no sense, the surface at the one hour point should be glowing like a star, so a more likely timeframe for this glassing would be around 12 hours. It should also be noted that Covenant Slipspace drives can do at least 912 light years per day (H2 hints at an Assault Carrier being far faster since it would have to cross 25,000 LY in the 11 days between arrving at Earth and the begining of the battle of Delta Halo). And it is hinted at later in TFoR that the UNSC and Covenant have some sort of gravity sensors that allow them to detect objects in normal space. It should also be noted that when in Slipspace ships can not be detected from normal space, and that ships in Slipspace can pass through anything in normal space without any effect on the ship or said object. And another interesting trick that gives the Covenant a tactical edge is the fact that they can make pin point jumps with an error no greater than the diameter of an atom over at least 80 million kilometers, though there is no reason to doubt that they can do it farther out then this. Edit: *Tap tap* My Universal Translator appears to be not working.

Galaxy Gun can destroy entire planets from across the galaxy, Sun Cruhser has its QC armor that allowed it to survive a glancing blow from the prototype DS Super Laser and has torps that can blows stars up, and its the size of a star fighter, Dark Saber (Striped down version of DS with just the Super Laser). B I'm sorry, I must have missed all those times where the Federation and other AQ etc. and the Borg just blew up tons of planets the same why the DS did, and if I recall correctly the DS SL calcs were 20 million yottatons for when it fired on Aldderan.