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The Blue Eyed Irken is the first chapter of what I hope to be an epic trilogy, so R&R please… Disclaimer: I do not own Invader Zim, the only things in this story that are mine are Taz and Shade and any other characters or random things not seen or mention in any of the episodes of IZ that I come up with. Time Units [One Solar Revolution = two and a half Earth years. SR] [One Lunar Revolution = two Earth months. LR] [One Major Unit = Approx. one Earth hour. MJU] [One Standard Unit = Approx. one Earth minute. SU] [One Minor Unit = Approx. one Earth second. MU] Prologue: Invader Taz and the Classroom of Doom _____________________________________________________________________________________ Location: Planet Irk, underground Military Training Area A-523. “Red Purple! Lay down suppression fire on their left flank!†Taz said over the Squad Freq. as he ducked back down behind the makeshift metal barricade as laser fire from the Vortian soldiers impacted against the barricade.†Skoodge, Zim, how much longer until you have the heavy laser repaired,†the tall blue eyed Irken known as Taz asked as laser fire continued to come their way, but slacken off as Red and Purple fired down on the Vortian's vulnerable left flank. “Another six and a half SU and we should have it operational again,†Skoodge said without looking from the large, heavy looking purple laser cannon. “That’s too long, Vortian heavy armor will be here in the next four SU,†Taz said, looking up at the dark night sky of Vort, Home of the Universes Comfiest Couch, wishing for the umpteenth time that the air support hadn’t completely wiped out within the first hour of the assault on the city.†This is Taz, leader of Squad Five any other Squads near the old Vortian Museum of Local Intergalactic history, we are under heavy suppression fire from Vortian infantry and expect heavy armor to arrive within the next -†“This is Squad Seventy, we hear you and are one the way. ETA is two SU. Out.†Good, we can hold out that long.†Squad Seventy is heading towards our position to help. ETA is One SU and fifty five MU,†Taz said as he used one of the fiber optic cables to look down on the Vortian position. There were several dozen of them behind proper military barricades keeping Squad Five pinned down up on the upper level of the outer museum parking area. And then a hum was heard in the distance that was growing steadily louder, and then the massive Vortian Devastator Mk. II MBT floated into the parking area. “Red Purple get out of there now!†Taz ordered as he turned back towards where Zim and -†Zim! Skoodge,†Taz said as he heard the sound of the hover tank charging its main cannon,†where did Zim go?†A massive explosion was heard a second later and everyone stopped and looked towards the source: a large, cone shape building over a hundred stories high began to fall down on the Vortian position, and the faint sound of “Victory! Victory for ZIM!†could be heard coming from near the building. Red and Purple began to move even faster than before with the huge Vortian building about to smash into the walkway they were on, and made it of the way just in time. The Vortian forces were not so lucky. The building squashed the soldiers like bugs and trapped the tank. “This is S-Seventy, S-Five come in, repeat come -†“S-Five here, we don’t need your help now S-Seventy. Zim dropped a building on the Vortian position. Over and out,†Taz quickly switched to the Sqaud Freq.†Zim, come in. Zim! Answer now! Over.†Taz waited several seconds before trying again- “Zim reporting in Squad Leader. I am under heavy fire from Vortian reinforcements that just arrived, I will deal with them and then join back up along the route to the objective. Zim out.†Another explosion followed shortly after that, drowning out the sound of laser fire. “Come on, lets get moving, we have a mission to finish right now,†Taz said. He knew Zim would make it back to the route to their objective. Zim ran, scrambling over debris from the building on his spider legs as surviving Vortian soldiers attempted to chase him but could not keep up with the more mobile Irken in the debris field. He turned to his right and began to make his way down the debris strewn highway that lead away from the Museum, and after several minutes ran into a Vortian blockade and he heard shouting as they spotted him and anti-infantry turrets moved to target him. He backtracked quickly as the turrets began to open fire, but shortly after ran into his original pursuers. Zim fired, turning a couple of them into expanding clouds of super heated vapor before they could react, but it quickly turned in their favor as they knocked out two of his spider legs. Knowing he couldn’t hope to win in this lopsided firefight with the forces from the blockade approaching from behind he ducked into a side alley and threw a pair of motion activated mines onto one of the buildings in the middle of the alley and continued running as the Vortian soldiers chased after him. He was fourty meters away when the mines went off, vaporizing the Vortians and surrounding buildings. Zim continued running for several more SU before stopping, he had to get his bearings now so he could return to his Squad, he looked up one of Vort’s two moons and quickly found which way he had to go. “They’ve almost reached the end of the tunnel, sir,†Skoodge said over the comm., watching the approaching column of Vortian troops and vehicles just entering the city.†Now!†Skoodge said - a massive multi-gigaton explosion rushed down the tunnel, incinerating everything before the tunnel collapsed. “Good, now with the main assault forces flank secured we can get back to our own objective,†Taz replied. He deployed his spider legs and leaped the fourteen meters to the building Skoodge had been on, with Red and Purple jumping over the edge from below several seconds later. “So, anything from Zim yet? Its been a couple MJU since we got split up,†Red asked Taz as the spider legs retracted back into his PAK. “No, but if he is -†Taz was cut off as a massive explosion was heard to the east, and a hundred and sixty five MU later the fireball had disappeared and the faint sound of “Victory! Victory for ZIM!†could be heard. “Ok, we now where Zim is know,†Taz said, shaking his head at how Zim somehow always drew attention in the worst possible way.†Come on, lets go get him before he does something else.†“Why is Zim always yelling his name into the sky in combat zones? Even after all this time it still amazes me anyone can be this dense!†Red said. Several MJU Earlier Zim slowly moved among the debris between the Vortian buildings, keeping an eye out for enemy units laying in wait to ambush him. He stopped, and looked up - Zim ducked - and a red laser beam sped through the area where his head had been just a split second before. He fed a fiber optic cable around the corner of the piece of debris he had ducked behind to get a look at the position his attacker had moved to after the first shot. There, the twenty first floor of the skyscraper north east of his position. He moved toward the entrance of the building to his left, careful to keep cover between him and the sniper as he entered the Vortian building. He silently made his way towards the stairs next to the gravity lifts in the lobby, watching and listening for anything out of the ordinary, and moved up floor by floor until he was one floor above where the sniper was in the building a dozen blocks away. Pathetic Vortian! You can not stop ZIM! He thought, loading a Mk. II heavy anti-vehicle missile into the launcher he had acquired during another fight in the city after being cut off from the rest of his squad. Taking aim at the Vortian sniper, he held his breath, and pulled the trigger. The missile hit almost instantly, unleashing a multi-gigaton explosion that leveled most of the surrounding buildings. “Victory! Victory for ZIM!!!!†He shouted to the heavens in typical Zim fashion after several SU, completely oblivious to the fact this would bring doom raining down on his head in a heated combat zone for the umpteenth time. Back to Present Red took point, watching likely ambush sites for any sign of movement or sound that might betray whoever lay in wait. The sound of battle could be heard far off in the distance of the ruined city as they continued moving towards where they had heard Zim. After thirty Standard Units they reached the devastated area and found only a few surviving buildings.†This is where the explosion and shouting come from, lets check this building first,†Taz said, looking around for any sign of Vortian units coming to find Zim also. They moved silently and smoothly through the same lobby that Zim had more then half an hour before checking for booby traps and anything else that may have been set up by a Vortian unit.†Clear,†Purple said over the comm. channel as the others also reported in that the lobby was safe for the time being.†Red and Purple,†Taz said as he moved towards the stairs,†guard our escape route will me and Skoodge head up and start looking for Zim.†“Foolish Vortains! How could they believe they could defeat me!? ZIM!†Zim shouted as he made his way down back towards the lobby, and as he turned the next corner in the stairwell he was ran over by Taz as he bound up the steps. “ZIM! What in the name of the Tallest do you think you are doing shouting your name in a combat zone again!†Taz growled as he pushed himself up, grabbing his laser rifle as he did.†Come on, lets get out of here before the Vortian patrols get here in the next few SU and vaporize us,†Taz said as a panting Skoodge arrived. “Hey Zim!†The short Irken said and waved at his friend.†So what happened to you?†He asked as they began their descent back to the ground floor. “I the glorious ZIM bravely fought off a hundred Vortian soldiers at once and defeated them with trivial easy! For I am ZIM!†He replied, shouting his name yet again. “Zim.†Taz asked, turning his head to look at the other Irken soldier as they reached the second floor. “Yes Squad Leader Taz? What is it you wish to ask the great ZIM!†“To stop shouting your Tallest forsaken name into the heavens so that every enemy combatant in the city can find us!!!!†Taz snapped at the shorter Irken. Some days I really do question why I ever became friends with him, Taz thought, he always getting himself and everyone else around him in trouble and is a liability on the battlefield almost assured to bring doom do - Taz was pulled back to reality at the sound of laser fire just several meters away in the lobby.†Check Power Cell levels and get ready to lay down cover fire!†Taz ordered as they broke into a run down the stairs and around the corner to find a dozen Vortian soldiers attacking Red and Purple who were using a heavy metal door for cover. The Vortians were taken by surprise as the three new comers fired into their flank, taking down four of them before they could move to a better position. Taz shot another one through the chest, vaporizing him and leaving behind only an expanding cloud of super heated vapor.†Look!†Skoodge pointed during a lull in the fight,†their bring in reinforcements!†“Red! Purple! Fall back upstairs now!†Taz said over the comm. as they began backing up towards the stairs, laying down heavy suppression fire to cover their retreat. He heard their reply and saw them make a break form cover towards him and the others as the Vortians slowly advanced under cover. With Red and Purple safe they turned and made a mad dash up the stairs towards safety and if they were lucky a defensible position. “Forward units pull back and ready to fire the missile into that building,†the short, gray, horned Vortian Major ordered as the Irkens retreated to the seventh floor still under heavy fire that began to slacken off. After several minutes the soldiers gave the all clear.†Fire.†“Where are they?†Asked Purple as he watched the feed from the fiber optic cable.†I really have a bad feeling about this guys,†he continued… and then pointed at the missile coming right at them. “Zim,†Taz said as he turned to the small red eyed Irken,†next time you shou -†he was cut off by the explosion of the missile that completely vaporize the them and parts of several other nearby buildings. “TRAINING SIMULATION OVER. SQUAD FIVE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY VAPORIZED. FINAL SCORE: 423 KILLS TOTAL IN 2 HOURS FIFTY FIVE MINUTES. PLEASE REMOVE THE SIMULATION EQUIPMENT.†The voice of the computer said to them. Taz pulled the visor off his head and took off other pieces of the training simulation equipment as the others did. Taz glared at the small Irken behind him as he got up and walked over, he leaned down as Zim took off his visor.†Now where was I before we were blown up? Right: Zim, next time you shout your name into the heavens in the middle of a combat zone I am going to throw you in the pit with the Balqwer, understand?†Taz said, still glaring down at Zim as the others also came over. “I think your letting him off way to easy just giving him to the Balqwer,†Red said with a scowl and shook his head again at Zim’s continuing stupidity. “Nonsense! I am ZIM! If it were not for me we would never had made it as far as we did!†He said, once again completely oblivious to the glares he was getting from everyone but Skoodge.†Everyone but Skoodge shook their heads, and then returned to their training stations to await the end of the training session. Zim set back for several SU, doing what he could to keep himself from being bored until he finally gave. “Zim tires of this training! We have been down here for ten Solar Revolutions and have still not seen the surface! When do we get to see the surface of Irk!?†He demanded. He then turned to the young Irkens next to him.“ Who will come with ZIM so that the surface may finally bask in my glory!†He said to Red and Purple. “Zim, the answer is: No. Now leave us alone,†Red said as he Purple looked around before chowing down on some snacks they had snuck in. Zim clenched his fist and turned to the Irken behind him.“ Skoodge! You are an impressionable young Irken!†Zim said pointing a digit. “I sure am!†Skoodge replied to Zim. “Come with me then to the surface of Irk Skoodge so Zim cam take his rightful place!†Zim finished and jumped up on his training station. “Sure! I’ll come Zim,†Skoodge said as Zim jumped back down. “Good!†He said and turned to the others.†Who else will follow me, ZIM! To the surface?†He asked. And Taz, still angry at Zim, got up and walked over. “I’m only coming to try and keep Skoodge out of whatever trouble you get into given your track record Zim,†Taz said to his shorter friend. “I knew you would come with me Taz! For I am ZIM!†He said and turned around and continued pass other Irkens. Taz shook his head and followed behind Skoodge as they moved towards the exit as thousands of other Irkens continued to fight in the simulation. They entered the hallway outside and turned right, following Zim down it and into a shadowy region of the vast underground labyrinth. “Where are we going Zim?†Taz asked, listening for anything in the shadows. Hopeful nothing would be attracted by Zim’s bad luck and idiocy for once, Taz thought. “I learned of an old ladder near a power facility in one of the older areas that leads to the surface. The information I have on the area says it is completely abandoned except for when a repair crew comes down to check on the power facility,†Zim said as they continued down the dimly lit corridor.†Ah, here we go, the junction to the next level up with the ladder,†and with that Zim and the others rose up on a gravity lift to the next level. That was when everything went wrong yet again. A pair of glowing red eyes appeared in the darkness and the robot they were attached moved out of the shadows of the side corridor looking the three Irkens over. “IT’S A DERMIS PROWLER SECURITY ROBOT! DON’T MOVE A MUSCLE,†Taz said and froze as it watched them, the orange paint job of the insectoid security bot glinting in the light of the main corridor. “How does it work?†Zim asked, still froze in place, the robot continued to stare. “It detects motion, homes in, and unleashes unimaginable pain,†Skoodge said. “Good work Skoodge!†Zim replied and picked the other Irken up and threw him down the corridor the Dermis had come out of. The robot turned and rushed after Skoodge as Zim made a run for it. “ZIM!!!!†Taz yelled, infuriated at Zim throwing a teammate into the clutches of the enemy.†Forget him,†he said as Zim disappeared around the corner,†I’ve got to save Skoodge from that Dermis,†and with that Taz deployed the spider legs from his blue PAK and moved down the corridor, following the sounds of Skoodge and the Dermis. He heard the sounds of machinery being smashed ahead and Skoodge screaming as he continued to dodge the security bot. He finally caught up with them in a large room now felled mainly with badly damaged machines that the bot had rammed into as it tried to catch Skoodge. “Get out of here Skoodge! I’ll hold it off,†he shouted to the shorter Irken and leap forward onto the robot and landed on it, looking for the control panel to turn it off -†AAAHHHHHHHHHHH!†Taz screamed as he flew back into a wall from having tens of millions of bolts sent through him by the close range defense system. Taz sat panting for a couple seconds - and dodge out of the way at the last second, the bot slamming into another piece of machinery and getting itself stuck. With that Taz quickly retreated back to the main corridor, and after several seconds heard the Dermis back in pursuit to unleash unimaginable pain on him. Taz turned right, heading in the direction Zim had gone, the Dermis appeared just a split second later still intent on doing it’s job. Farther down the corridor Zim had found the ladder to the surface and was just about to begin his ascent to the world above when Skoodge finally appeared panting, he shouted.†Zim! We have to go back! The Dermis is after Taz!†“Don’t worry about him Skoodge! He is more than capable of handling it, but not as well as ZIM could!†With that Zim began climbing to the surface as the sound of the Dermis became louder - and Taz appeared out of the darkness with the Dermis close behind. Finally fed up with the chase the Dermis fired its lasers and sliced Taz’s spider four legs in half sending him skidding across the floor into a wall. Zim looked back down and decided to jump back down to show the pathetic robot what a true Irken soldier could do! “Up the ladder now Skoodge!†Taz shouted as he crouched by the wall watching as the robot sped towards him - and Zim leap into the machine and sent it flying into a large metal box, breaking the box apart with a massive light show of sparks and lighting bolts that short-circuited the Dermis which then fell over with a crash. The box continued to spark as they made their way to the surface, a loud series of explosions and sounds of sparking machinery following them. Zim pushed open the hatch and stood on the sidewalk on the ground level of Irk just outside the capital.†It is breath taking, is it not?†Zim asked as the other two appeared out of the hole, explosions still going off. “It is,†Taz said as he looked at the beautiful cityscape of the capital and other nearby cities and surrounding plains… and with a final explosion every light on the planet flickered and went out.†Zim,†Taz said as he turned to the shorter Irken,†you pushed the Dermis into the main power relay for the entire PLANET!†Taz shouted, placing a hand against his forehead. Some days I question why I follow him on these insane adventures just to keep Skoodge or whoever Zim talked into going out of trouble, Taz thought. “Yes, I did,†he said with a grin as the sound of footsteps was heard below, and a guard poked his head up through the hole they had exited. “What the hell are you trainees doing out here!†The guard said, pulling himself through and grabbing them.†And which one of you knocked that Dermis into the main power relay!?†“It was I! ZIM!†The short red eyed Irken said proudly as the guard brought them back down. “You two,†the guard said, pointing at Taz and Skoodge,†return to A-523 at once. And you,†he said turning to Zim who was still completely oblivious to the damage had caused,†will be taken to the local Control Brain for evaluation.†Three Major Units later, A-523. Skoodge and Taz along with every one else in the room where just getting up to head to the mess hall when the doors at the far end flung open… and Zim marched in proudly, followed by the holo of the local Control Brain. “I am happy to declare trainee Zim the greatest among those here and that he and a select few others will be advancing to Invader Training at once!†The Control Brain said happily, but after that you might be lucky and hear it whispering “Does not comput- horrible data, so corrupted!†“What did the Control Brain just say…†Red asked, his mouth agape at what he head just heard. ZIM! The GREATEST among them!!?? Had the Control Brain gone insane! “The others who shall advance at once to Invader Training are: Taz, Skoodge, Red and Purple!†Nearly everyone was still stunned by what the Control Brain had said about Zim and it took a few seconds for them to notice what it had just said. Everyone cheered for them after that, congratulating on their early advancement to Invader Training and whished them good luck. “You shall report to hangar bay B-04 at 0400 tomorrow. That is all.†And with that the Control Brain exploded from the horrible data it had downloaded from Zim’s PAK. “Zim, I don’t know what you did, but good job,†Red said, looking down the tiny Irken. “I’m still keeping an eye on you after the whole ‘knock out power to the entire planet’ incident, but good job and thank you,†Taz said, still stun at what the short Irken who was always blowing things up had just managed. Invader Training... _____________________________________________________________________________________ Will, tell me what you think in the review thread. Because if you don’t, I’ll replace your brain with a rubber piggy and unleash giant fish in teddy bear suits on the world again!

I have entered again, so I post as the thread title tells me to. "In latest multi-versal news another twenty thousand universes fell to the mighty Irken Empire within the last three days as Operation Impending Doom III continues."

*Yawn* I miss anything else besides Jason being an idiot again today? *Starts ranting* All hail the Irken Empire! UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The universe is ours for the taking! It is only a matter of time before all the races of the universe serve... the IRKEN EMPIRE!" - Almighty Tallest Red at the Great Assigning "I'm going to have them serve me curly fries!" - Almighty Tallest Purple to the above “Its not stupid, its advance!†- Almighty Tallest Purple when giving Zim his SIR unit GIR “Victory! Victory for ZIM!†- Invader Zim when he thinks he won “That was no HUMAN BEE!!!!†- Invader Zim when a super killer death bee hit the windshield of his Voot Cruiser and caused the engines to be set on fire without being any where near them. UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have returned! I have put my universal conquest plan on hold for the time being so as to unleash the next part of Operation Impending Doom III on Star Trek to test how stupid Jason really is! "I RULE YOU ALL WITH AN IRON FIST! YOU OBEY THE FIST!!!" - Invader Zim

If I knew I was going to miss this I would have put my universal conquest plan on hold! I believe it is time to truly test just how stupid Jason is! The next target of Operation Impending Doom III shall be the Star Trek universe! "The multi-verse is ours for the taking! It is only a matter of time before all the races of the multi-verse serve... the IRKEN EMPIRE!" - Almighty Tallest Red as OID III began.

Lawsuit to shut down LHC . Again. And so the idiocy marches on into infinity still... http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527485.700-cern-on-trial-could-a-lawsuit-shut-the-lhc-down.html CERN on trial: could a lawsuit shut the LHC down? 23 February 2010 by Eric E. Johnson COURTS and legal scholars love quoting legal maxims in Latin. One of the most famous is fiat justitia ruat caelum. The phrase is a resolute affirmation of the rule of law. It means "Let justice be done though the heavens fall". It was intended as hyperbole. But, ironically, courts may now have to confront these words on literal terms. In various countries, plaintiffs have sought court orders to halt the operation of the Large Hadron Collider at CERN near Geneva, Switzerland, with the most extraordinary of allegations: that the experiment may create a black hole that will devour the Earth. Up until now, the various lawsuits filed against the LHC have faltered. But if the right kind of claim is filed in the proper court, a judge may soon have to face the question of whether an injunction might be needed to save the world. Injunctions are court orders that command persons to do or refrain from doing something. They are relatively routine, for example when a building of historic significance is threatened with demolition. But wading into the world of particle physics to shut down the LHC would be a forbidding proposition for anyone in judges' robes. In deciding whether or not to issue an injunction, courts engage in what lawyers refer to as a "balancing test". The idea is that the court weighs the hardships that would be endured by both parties if the injunction were or were not issued, taking into account the likelihood and severity of the alleged consequences. The test closely resembles what is portrayed by courthouse statues around the world - Lady Justice holding up scales to measure the relative weight of the plaintiff's and defendant's cases. So let's do the balancing test for the LHC case. The hardship CERN would suffer from an injunction is enormous - idling thousands of workers and equipment worth billions of euros, and upending a great scientific adventure. That weighs on the scales heavily. But on the other side is an Earth-mass black hole. That not only tips the scales, it eats them up. The remaining task is to determine whether the questions raised are sufficiently serious. For that, a court must take a careful look at the scientific controversy. Yet the physics involved is difficult terrain even for physicists. A judge with maybe just a few days to ponder has scant chance of learning the science well enough to confidently decide who is right and who is wrong. Usually when complex scientific issues are involved, courts turn to expert witnesses. But there is a problem with using experts in this case: none would seem to be without bias. CERN employs half of the world's particle physicists; the other half are their friends. All of them are anxiously awaiting data from the LHC to advance their field. The LHC is not just a particle physics experiment, it is the particle physics experiment. So what is a court to do? Courts can maintain the rule of law in a fair and principled way by looking at the human context surrounding the scientific debate. While the physics may be largely impenetrable to the court, the human factors are not. One question a court can investigate is how likely it is that the theoretical underpinnings of the scientific work are defective. Those seeking an injunction could, for example, ask a court to consider the history of shifting arguments for why the LHC is safe. In 1999, physicists said no particle accelerator for the foreseeable future would have the power to create a black hole. But theoretical work published in 2001 showed that if hidden extra dimensions in space-time did exist, the LHC might create black holes after all. Thereafter, the argument for safety was changed. In 2003, it said that any black holes created would instantly evaporate. But when subsequent theoretical work suggested otherwise, the argument changed again. In 2008, CERN issued a report arguing a safety case based, ultimately, on astrophysical arguments and observations of eight white dwarf stars. These flip-flops on safety might cause a court to find current assurances less persuasive than they would otherwise be. In addition, a court could look at the sociological and psychological context in which the disputed scientific work was carried out. Social scientists have identified a number of phenomena that can skew attempts to reach objective assessments of risk. For instance, cognitive dissonance describes the tendency of people to seek information that is consistent with their beliefs and to avoid information that is inconsistent. "Groupthink" describes a process by which intelligent individuals, working in a group, can reach a worry-free outlook that is not justified by the facts. And the phenomenon of confirmation bias - the tendency to filter information so as to confirm working hypotheses - was cited by the Columbia Accident Investigation Board as one explanation for why space shuttle programme managers ignored sure signs of trouble. A court charged with deciding whether an injunction should be issued could consider whether these sorts of social effects plausibly undermine the conclusion that the LHC is safe. These lines of inquiry might strike physicists as unfair. Many will argue that scientific work should be debated on its scientific merits alone. That objection is well put in a purely academic dispute, but the question of whether the LHC is safe is not academic - it is a real-world question with the highest possible stakes. Evaluating the science from a real-world perspective, and understanding scientific work to be a fallible human enterprise, is not merely fair - where justice is concerned, it is essential. Eric E. Johnson is assistant professor of law at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks. He makes these arguments in more detail in the Tennessee Law Review (vol 76, p 819)

Long live the Messiah!

By act of Slipspace going wacky again, the Covenant Cruiser that crashed into Africa in Halo 3 hits Coruscant instead. This takes place just before the Battle of Endor. Can the Stormtroopers and other forces on Coruscant stop the Flood? Or will the Galaxy Far Far Away just become another galaxy sized meal for the Flood? Bonus Scenario: High Charity crashes into Coruscant instead.

What it says on the tin: How? Also I take full credit for his new name of 'Mr. Mash Potato Brains'. *Bows*

When speaking of the Death Star’s Hypermatter reactor in the novel it says the reactor has the “weekly output of several main sequence starsâ€.

Thank you. On topic, how did he go from -500+ to +450 seemly over night? Any idea at all? Because that took me by surprise when I saw it. Made me nearly falloverlaughing.

The answer I believe to your question is… [sarcasm] Sub-Kiloton Yields [sarcasm]

Invader Zim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invader_Zim Not much on the Ireken Empire, but this is the show that it is on. For more details (and corrections on what I post) then I give below I point you to Invader. Now for what I recall: The Ireken Empire is a vast empire of powerful beings called “Irekensâ€. Their goal: Rule the Universe and capture an endless supply of snack food. They have attempted two operations at this: Operation Impending Doom 1. Failed Because of Zim. Operation Impending Doom 2. Current status unknown, but assumed to still be well under way given Zim has been sent to the farthest regions of space from the Empire: Earth. Their leaders are known as: The Tallest. Height is important in Ireken life, and the Tallest of the Tall are their leaders. They control a vast armada of powerful ships and ground forces used to conquer worlds. Normally though a single “Invader†is enough to overwhelm entire planets. Their flagship is the planet size The Massive. It is where the Tallest direct Operation Impending Doom 2 from. It so well built it can easily laugh off crashing through multiple planets equal in size to it at FTL speeds and then plunge into the system’s sun and out the other side completely intact. [Zim]“Now bow down before me dirty Earth Monkey! You will obey Zim!!! Obey Zim!!!â€[Zim] There will be SNACKS!!!

They are given a small part of the Unknown Regions of the Star Wars galaxy by Q right after the battle of Yavin and they will not be discovered by the Empire or other major powers outside of the Unknown Regions until six months before The Battle of Endor. They are given their armada and 48 solar systems. Assuming they operate competently, how well do they do?

I feel sorry for any aliens that eat the moons...

I claimed 1 Exaton for the vaporization of Earth mass oceans. That is the only amount of energy I claimed for that glassing operation. The only other thing I mentioned was that they glassed the crust, which is the canon term for it plus what happens when you add enough heat. Sorry, was in a rush and didn't have a good connection . Let me clarify with a quick diagram: []Ring Section. <--Force of Explosion[]-->Direction Ring Section Should Have Flown Off Into Because of Explosion <--Direction Ring Section Flew Off In<--Force Of Explosion[] Instead the ring section flew in the other direction away from the direction it should have, which is easily fixed by the book pointing out it tore itself apart from the weak point. Also, it was Mr Oraghan that brought this up in a older thread I had found so I was just mentioning that he had pointed it out was all. The Pillar of Autumn is not turning white as the Longsword is leaving and it is clearly for dramatic scene change (See link farther down). The Longsword shaking means nothing since it is already in space and was leaving the atmosphere at high speed, they were not going for a steady and easy flight here, so maintaining complete control in atmosphere may have been hard. Sorry, I’ve edited my post now to make it clear, so I‘ll add it to this post also. Incorrect. The reactors still had roughly another 50 seconds to based off a longer version of the quote below and also stated game time when you reach the fighter. The reactors had clear not yet overloaded given the way that white flashed went. What we see pre canon is the explosion from the PoA. Also as farther proof the “You Loss Endingâ€: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKOo18cfAQ Notice how this scene has the white fade out too, yet we see the very start of the explosion. And as I have shown above it had was not the PoA exploding yet. The fact is all canon points at the Pillar of Autumn’s fusion drive cores being the only source for that massive explosion. And Halo 3 supports this when the 4000 ton Forward Unto Dawn is able to cross tens of thousands of kilometers in a short amount of time, and we can not blame it on a misleading scene cut like the we could the Longsword. And as the calcs on the Frigate from before match up with the PoA exploding in a multi-Teraton explosion very well. Lets also take a look at a longer version of the quote from The Flood. Notice how the books makes it clear that the fusion drives did not go critical until after the Longsword had left plus just how much time was left for it to escape. I apologize, as I said I did not see that part of the scene as being important really. I did a bit of searching around and found the Halo 3 Ending scene: 1:48 left center is Africa, hard to tell really, it may just be clouds, but it appears that Hood may have been accurate. Now, the Elites may have helped repair some of the damage. Pure speculation of course, but we have to note that despite being glassed the area around the portal where the Elites started is in prefect shape, so this may be possible, especially since they have had months since returning from the Ark to help. True, but we really didn’t see much of Earth still and know nothing about the overall condition of the planet at this point still. On ST, I thought it was mentioned DS9 did something with its shields or something for a Mass Lighting field? On the Ent D going faster than light, could they have just been referring to how time would pass just on the Ent D since Relativity would slow down time on the ship since I assume this was on high-end Impulse? True, it would nicely explain away things like an entire Covenant battle group massing in at 20,000 tons ub Slipspace… and being large than any know Covenant ship. But even then, we still have stated masses of 4000 tons for a UNSC Frigate, which would have to be with Mass Lighting fields on since it would already be Weberfoam. The fact stands is that they have a canon mass of 4000 tons, and as the calcs I found showed it still makes the accelerations impossible in the timeframe with real world fusion. I’m a bit lost at this point. And I ask again about the Ent D could they have been going by time dilation that would affect them at high C velocities?

It is January 1st, 2550 in Halo. It is post-Nemesis in Star Trek. A small Covenant fleet - one CCS-class Battlecruiser and three Destroyers - have located a Forerunner Relic in deep space, a vast, pyramid shaped device the size of High Charity. As the Covenant fleet approaches the device activates the sides slowly open up, the center glowed a brilliant white, when the sides had reach a 90 degree angle the tips of the sides began to glow, and then five beams of light converged on a single point in a blinding flash. A vast dark-blue sphere floated over the ancient device. The Fleet Master ordered one of the Destroyers to return to High Charity and inform the Hierarchs will he investigated the portal. The Enterprise is sent from Earth to a star system several dozen light years away to investigate a report about a new, stable wormhole formed by some strange device. The Enterprise arrived within twelve hours. As it entered the system, sensors showed alien ships of unknown design surrounding the device. “Hail them,†Picard ordered. “Fleet Master,†a minor Elite said,†an alien ship has entered the system and is hailing us.†“Very well, main screen,†the Fleet Master ordered. A large holo screen appeared before the Elite… Enterprise: On the screen appeared a large alien.†I am Captain -†Picard was cut off as the alien roared and cut the transmission.†Captain! They are charging weapons! Reading show that they are plasma weapons of great strength, enough to easily overwhelm shields in several hi - â€Pulse Lasers impacted the Enterprises shields as the alien ships turned to present their port sides.†Take us to warp!†Picard ordered. After they had escaped the Enterprise returned to Earth to report what they had found. So, who wins?

I used the canon name for the glassings, nothing else. I said they glassed the crust. Canon fact because that is what the operation are called. No it is not, it mentions the giant 500 kilometer part we see in the game. It may not be completely correct but it mentions the parts of the ring being blown off, such as the large 500 kilometer section from the game. Besides, as Mr O pointed out in another thread we see the PoA explosion makes no sense given the fact the ring was torn off and flew in the other direction from which it should have. This part where the ring tore itself apart helps take care of that since now the force tearing it apart sent that section flying off into the otherside of the ring. It mentions the 500 kilometer section from the game. It makes no mention of anything else save the PoA causing what we see in game. So I can therefore claim the massive crater from Obsession was not caused by the AM explosion since it did not obey the laws of phyics and claim more likely it was an old crater from an asteroid that hit long ago. I did not think it important at the time. It still does not change the fact that nothing but the ship is mentioned to have done this level of destruction. Canon supports that the PoA did it alone since there is nothing about a second explosion mentioned. Apologize accepted Mith. I also apologize for before too. Now, on the hyperbole, Hood was clearly angry and just lashing out at a creature that he has been fighting for the last 27 years, so it is possible he was just completely exaggerating in his anger. Also, I will have to check this later at Halopedia when it starts working for me again, but I believe Africa is just one large country in the game. But I will have to check that to make sure later. Sorry, but I was being interrupted a lot last night and didn’t have time to go over the Plasma Torpedo Cocktail theory and such at the time. I’ll get to it later when I have the time. On mass lighting tech, there is no canon refer to any of that at all. The close we have to that is the fact that UNSC ships range between 4000 tons for the small frigate right up to 100,000 tons for the larger Marathon class. The thing with the UNSC ships is that the fusion drives are the only power source they have for charging weapons, and the end of Halo 3 shows that the FuD accelerated in a time like that shown by the Longsword in H:CE and FS. We know that in canon that the ST ships have their Structural Integrity Fields that help hold the ships together. Halo ships do not have such a thing.

Plasma Torpedoes Let me first apologize for the mistake here since the site apparently ate part of my post from before with the FS quote when I had to reload it after the first attempt at posting it, so here is the rest. Now the first problem of course it the quick fading away and the millions of tons of ash. But we know the Covenant are holding back here mostly. But, Fred after seeing the impact decided that they can survive meaning this doesn’t have to contradict anything given the fact he understands something is going on, that this is not a normal glassing. Glassing Operations My argument is based off of multiple canon sources, both books and games and I have tried to keep both consistent with each other. Also you are the one that started the literal glassing since all I did was use the canon name for it and noted the lack of oceans and atmospheres. Even so, multiple canon sources refer to glassy smooth surfaces and even outright glass as seen by Marines that were returning to their now “Glassed†base. The only reason I truly started to resort to the TDiC Visual>Dialogue is that is I was getting tired of your flaming like that “Tera-HALO IS ASSWWWWWWWWSOME-Tons†bit. That makes the intelligent and more moderate Halo fans like my self mad. I have continually corrected you on my position on the hyperbole Mith, my last post even had a bolden underlined part that cleared this up, so since you seem to be having a problem for some reason getting at what I am saying I will do it again.“ They glassed half of Africa†The underline bolden text as I have continue to say over and over to you is what I claimed hyperbole on, I never said anything about the glassing itself being hyperbole. I have claimed that the they glassed less than half of Africa, not that the glassing itself was hyperbole. The only planet you can use is Harvest and I can and have reconciled it as best I could with other canon and shall again: 1. There was a Forerunner Relic on the planet that forced the Covenant to hold back. Canon fact, supported by canon (See Halo 3 and First Strike). 2. The UNSC have spent nearly five years by this point being chased throughout the Outer Colonies and have watched as the Covenant killed billions from orbit before boiling away the oceans and atmosphere when they glassed the planet. It is possible that by this point that it has just become the common name for any heavy Covenant plasma, since no matter what the intense heat at the impact site will glass that area. Hence technically the planet has been “Glassed†when subject to a even a smaller scale glassing. SHOWN COVENANT GLASSINGS. GLASSING OF HARVEST. COVENANT SHIPS PRESENT: 1 PILE OF SHIT BRUTE CRUISER PER HALO: CONTACT HARVEST. TYPE: UNKNOWN. TIMEFRAME: NEARLY TWO MONTHS. NOTE THAT THE SHIP HAD BEEN DAMAGED AND MADE UNKNOWN LEVEL OF REPAIRS. RESULT: SUB-STANDARD GLASSING WEAPON USE AND BURNED DOWN AT LEAST THE CITIES AND OTHER AREAS OF THE SURFACE. FORERUNNER RELIC AT SITE: 1. GLASSING OF JERICHO VII. COVENANT SHIPS PRESENT: 36. TYPES: DESTROYERS AND CRUISERS. TIMEFRAME: 1-12 HOURS. RESULT: PLANETARY BODY HAS HAD ATMOSPHERE AND OCEANS BOILED AWAY. FORERUNNER RELICS AT SITE: N/A. GLASSING OF REACH. COVENANT SHIPS PRESENT: “DOZENSâ€. TYPES: “BATTLESHIPS.†TIMEFRAME: HALF AN HOUR. RESULT: PLANETARY BODY SURFACE HAS MOSTLY BEEN TURN TO GLASS. FORERUNNER RELIC AT SITE: ONE. GLASSING OF HALF/LESS THAN HALF OF AFRICA. COVENANT SHIPS PRESENT: 10. TYPES: CCS CLASS-BATTLECRUISERS. TIMEFRAME: MINUTES OR HOURS. RESULT: UNKNOWN HOW MUCH OF AFRICA WAS TRULY GLASSED. HYPERBOLE MY HAVE BEEN USED WHEN SAYING “HALF OF AFRICAâ€. FORERUNNER RELICS AT SITE: ONE. ARK PORTAL, BELIEVED TO BE ARK SHORTLY BEFORE THAT. Conclusions on Glassing: The term may not mean the entire planet has been completely glassed, and may sometimes just refer to the large regions that have still been glassed. It is also shown by canon that the Covenant will hold back until they have recovered the relic. It is a canon fact that any world not housing a Forerunner relic has its oceans and atmosphere boiled away. HE warheads on missiles with MT range KE = HE warheads in MT+ range. Remember those silly eps. where the Ents torpedoes where weaker than chemical explosions? Funny, so you can have them be more powerful than Real World allows yet pull double standards on Halo. And if you had been paying attention to my post afterwards I was face palming because you took me seriously on what I cherrypicked. You cherrypcicked and continued your flaming so I responded as you continued to get on my nerves. I understand those are silly low ends, but so are low ends below say five Megatons in Halo because than we are reaching to me an area of nonsense. “Now, what someone who is reasonable would do is attempt to rework the glassing operation to fit both cannons.†- Mith. Irony meter has exploded. Hey, if you haven’t notice that is what I did Mith. Query: Do you know what “reconcile“ means? “vt end conflict: to solve a dispute or end a quarrel reconciled their differences†“vt make somebody accept something: to persuade somebody or yourself to accept that something undesirable cannot be changed He reconciled himself to the fact that his football career was over.†“vti make consistent or compatible: to make two or more apparently conflicting things consistent or compatible, or to become consistent or compatible trying to reconcile fitness with a penchant for fast food†The irony level here blew up my PC. And what Bungie has said is vague and makes no bearing on it being non-DET since all it means is it will not act like real world plasma. Also it was arcane, “hard to fathom: difficult or impossible to understand†â€mysteriously obscure: requiring secret knowledge to be understood†And even so this does not explain the continuing and impossible accelerations done by UNSC ships using “Fusion†in both books and games which is consistent except for two outliers, one of which is easily blamed on Slipspace. As we can see here, just harping “They use FUISON!†means nothing when despite using fusion these ships perform impossible feats CONSISTENTLY throughout all canon material excepted for a two outliers, and the higher canon one can be blamed on Slipspace. Even if you can explain Covenant plasma as non-DET, this goes against the fact that all the UNSC would have to do is employ the “Kzinti Lesson†and fry entire Covenant fleets without any effort or the fact that they could just fly by tossing beer cans at Covenant ships to destroy them. We have seen these accelerations done by a Longsword and the Forward Unto Dawn. Pillar of Autumn Fusion Reactor Yield Per the books and the game the Pillar of Autumn alone was able to do this. You are coming up with ideas not support by an part of canon in any form. Cease it at once please. Now let us note problems with your idea here. 1. You have ignore this quote which I posted along with the ending cut scene before and the visuals which support the yield. 2. Using the SDN calculator and taking into account only the blast radius within the width of the ring it still ends up being 8-10 Teratons. Which would nicely support the Gigaton yields. 3. Your claim on fuel falls apart when we take into account that Halo ships regularly accelerate at thousands of Gs, and use them to charge weapons in combat. And the above calc was done on an event in First Strike and is support by the end of Halo 3. Also prove the Gigatons from the ST movie. Quantify the event etc.etc.etc. KE for Archer Missiles No, you have completely misinterpreted me even after I corrected you that my point was that the Archer HE would have to be equal to or greater than the KE. Assuming an Archer is five tons, moving at 100 million KPH should be about five Megatons of KE. So, as a low end we have one 160 meter Covenant ship in the TFoR that the Commonwealth attacked tanking at least 450 Megatons of KE given the fact it was hit by 90 and the shields held. Now a quick calc of the MAC that assumes that as the Commonwealth moved away the distance grew greater than the state 3000 km mention upon the arrival of the Covenant ship to three times that when the MAC Fired. 600 tons at 3,000 KPS = 709 Megatons of KE using my calculator. This fits very well with the Archers not dropping the shields of this small Kig-yar ship before. It also almost matches the Halo low-mid end area of low GT range. Halo “Outliers†I put the Archer there for your benefit when I listed high end, along with low end, showings you continue to ignore or hand wave away. The 30MT and 80MT nukes are clear outliers once you take into account the powerful fusion drives used to power and move a UNSC ship shown even in the games. The Spartans underwent surgery and some genetic modification, the genetic modification was minor compared to the surgery that coated their bones in metal to make them nigh in destroyable and changes in other areas. Also the S-II Program did have a high rate of failure that killed or disabled half the S-IIs. Outlier 80MT is outdated and overruled by continue showings even from the games. And the PoA is worth at least high GT in firepower given canon evidence. The 30MT nukes quote etc. I will have tomorrow night. If you had understood my point as I have said it proves (Lets no forget your double standard with ST which has had it been shown chemical explosives where more powerful than the entire Photon Torp load of the Ent) that the HE most be equal to or high than the KE shown. You are the one taking the outliers. The outliers are not in your favor as I have listed showings from the games and books. Only the books out number me. Also as per the SW movies until shields are down fighters and bombers don’t stand a change against capital ships. Trek Super-Weapons/Yields No, you have completely misread nearly everything I have posted and gone right in the fact of canon sources to the extreme even after being shown them. And as I have said before I was showing that I can cherrypick outliers from ST just as you could from Halo. As for the NOVA Bomb I can use it because it is made up of NINE FUSION WARHEADS THAT HAVE THE YIELD INCREASED A HUNDREDFOLD WHEN THE NOVA IS SET OFF. THEREFORE, THE UNSC CAN MAKE FUSION WARHEADS 1/900th THE YIELD OF THE NOVA. The UNSC regularly uses nukes and we have them being feared by the Captains of said ships even when hundreds of kilometers away. The NOVA unlike the Obsession Bomb is mentioned and refered to in multiple canon sources. The ultimate point being that each and one of the warheads is 1/900th the yield. The Die is Cast. Strawman, I never claimed TDiC was hyperbole. And it is indeed best explain by some form of Super Weapon in the end. Conclusions You have completely misread nearly everything I have said, completely ignored my counters to your whining about “But they said it was glassed!!†when I have shown it is not necessarily a contradiction or recton, ignoring canon and canon-based logic. You continue to not understand that the NOVA Bomb, despite being a super weapon when all nine warheads are not being used for it are each 1/900th the yield of it. You continue to ignore the consistent showings throughout games and books of accelerations and speeds impossible with fusion in timeframes mentioned and shown.

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Cont. Of course! Lets just fire weapons full blast at point blank range! If it doens't kill us the multi-Gigaton-Teraton explosion from the other ships reactors will! Also: "Tera-HALO IS FUCKING AWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME!-tons!" Yeah, that's the idiots you see like that Didact, not me. Really, do I have to go dust off my Mammoth Mk II Walker Mith? Yeah...you do know that it is stupid to fire weapons at full power at point fucking blank range, right? I know this is an outlier, problem is we have events from the other games that outnumber this one. Hell, the first thing I claimed was about the oceans and amosphere and I used the canon name glassing. All that matters to me in the end is the fact they boiled away the oceans and atmosphere because in the end we know that to do that to an Earth-like world takes over 1 Exaton. Yep, those damn fusion reactors that are consistent across the books and games as being able to pull 1000 Gs low end when last I checked real world fusion drives give you at best hundreds of Gs. HE warheads on missiles with MT range KE = HE warheads in MT+ range. Remember those silly eps. where the Ents torpedoes where weaker than chemical explosions? Funny, so you can have them be more powerful than Real World allows yet pull double standards on Halo. So Mith, you prefer to just throw out anything and everything that disagrees with you on Halo firepower to the point of ignoring canon. Check. I, on the other hand, have made it clear I go with what makes better sense than the MT range stuff, the GT-TT range stuff. I'm sure you will figure out how to explain away even the games to. Near future setting? *March 3, 2535* Right. I look like the idoit? Yeah, ST shis break the laws of physics all the time but Halo ships can't because...I've found something that I think is a recton! Hell, at this point I just don't really care when your going to be this thick headed Mith. I have pointed out that no matter the scale that they are called glassing because the end result near the impact site is glass. Check, as shown by canon. I now point out it is still correct to call Harvest glassed because certain areas will be glassed over. But it is clear that this doens't have to be a recton for one reason that canon has made clear over and over and over and over: There is a Forerunner relics on the world. EVERYTIME THE COVENANT HAVE HELD BACK IN CANON IS WHEN THERE IS A FORERUNNER RELIC. And no Mith, it isn't a strawman because I never claime you said anything about it. It is my claim that fixs the problem and agrees with all canon sources I have on hand. I never claime glassing in the game was hyperbole, if you would stop and read for a second you would understand what I said the hyper bole was, I'll spell it out and bold and underline the parts I mean are hyperbole so you get it this time:" T-h-e-y g-l-a-s-s-e-d l-e-s-s t-h-a-n -h-a-l-f o-f -A-f-r-i-c-a." That doesn't disporve them being DET, All it means is they will not act like really world plasma. I want a consistent Halo. I know that there are things that I have to throw out to do that and I will. You on the other hand throw out the lesser canon before even thinking about how we can keep it consistent with the high and new sources. I am the one that is keeping the canon as consistent as possible, you are destroying by making entire events become impossible. Just keep read that and maybe it will sink in at some point that you you don't throw it out until you know you can not reconcile it with the other sources. You have not refute the fact that the Covenant boil away the oceans and atmospheres of worlds. I have shown that it is not a recton in HW or H3. Hell, using H3 makes you look dumb since you are trying to base full scale glassings off of it. I HAVE NOT EVADE ANYTHING. I HAVE GIVEN MY COUNTER THAT AGREES WITH EVERY CANON SOURCE THAT THE COVENANT WILL HOLD BACK UNTIL THE RELIC HAS BEEN RECOVERD. And yet I have shown that it the two can yet co-exist. I never claimed the glassings in the games would be hyperbole. I have claimed that the area around where the plasma hits will be glassed. When the Covenant glass a world from orbit with plasma torpedoes they glass every last "centimeter" of the surface until it is an airless rock. Hm, looks more like lava fields to me really. Funny how we later see when Plasma Torpedoes hit the surface of Reach in H:R they come out in the mid GT range. Edit: Hell, if your ok with the speeds and accelerations of Halo ships Mith lets look at something really funny: A one ounce can thrown from a UNSC ship doing 80 million KPH has at least 2 MEGATONS of KE. Funny how their MAC guns don't do a lot more damage when moving at said speeds, huh?

Can't find mine right now, but here is another source. http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070502/grazier_02.shtml Note that this is not a canon source, but was done by an astrophysicist. Right, that's why Cortana said the PoA would do all the work and the book, the very quote I gave you made no mention of these vital to the destruction power sources. No its not. But in the first place I wasn't even on the glassing when you started it, I was pointing mainly at the large lack of oceans and atmosphere. Yep, Miths patented Personal Insults attack. Yep, calling people dumb is really the way to win arguments. I would like it to be noted on the record that Mith start the flaming. I have made no fallacies. If I have, quote the part and point it out. I am prefectly happy with GT as I've said, or why do you think I keep going GT-TT? I have made my stance clear: If the source is a clear recton I fall into line with the correct canon. Until there is proof of a recton that I can not find a way to reconcile with other sources you have nothing. YEp, and that's why the NOVA Bomb was mentioned to use fusion warheads and each would be 1/900th the NOVA yield. Hell, I never got into that part until you started it. I called it glassing but pointed at the lack of oceans and atmospheres mainly. Yeah, its like I've point out I am trying to keep canon consistent over and over. *Me because of Mith* Not only that I have pointd out events in the higher canon that agree with me. Yeah, I really am just using nothing but the lower canon to support me despite all those times I mentioned the games.

Was said bomb detonated? And quantify “destroyâ€. Was it knock over everything in 800 kms? Level everything within 800kms? Vaporize everything in 800 kms? Can the damage be quantify? Quantify this black hole. Wouldn’t happen to be anything similar to the act nothing like a black hole black hole in ST XI, would it? Also explain how VOY also ended with several decks squashed by ice in the eps. where it hit the ice world. And how far was Voyager from the stars in question? Possibly hyperbole as I recall he was joking at the time, but I may be wrong and will check Youtube before any farther comments on it. Oh not this shit again. It acts NOTHING LIKE A BLACK HOLE. NOTHING LIKE IT. Unless its inconsistent effects can be quantify then this is completely useless for you because it is NOTHING like a really black hole. No, more like dozens of worlds mentioned to have ended up like Jericho VII. The NOVA a bad joke? You have to be kidding me, the NOVA Bomb would make any normal ST race quake in their boots because unlike their super weapons this was going to be MASS PRODUCED. What? I didn’t concede anything here. I claimed the size of the area they destroyed was hyperbole, not the glassing. They have shown that plasma bombardments on planets that hold Covenant holy relics are have not undergone a full scale glassing. And yes, we have confirmation from Bungie employees that Plasma Torpedoes are not going to act like normal weapons, but that does not prove they are not DET. All it means is the effects are not like real plasma. Try again. No, it IS THE PLASMA TORPEDO, not the fireball from it being set off. Wrong, Covenant ships 1. Have to present their broadside to fire plasma torpedoes and continue to drift forward. 2. UNSC ships mainly face Covenant ships with the MAC guns. The KE is going to hit in nearly full force. And designed for proximity blasts? Yeah, you keep ignoring that canon there Mith! I’m sure if you try hard enough it’ll work! And the point is that they bother to the HE warheads on in the first place meaning the KE must be of similar or greater yield if they bother to put it on. Right…I’m not the one who continually ignores canon and throw something out the first sign of a possible contradiction. Ah, so you know it is clearly not an MT weapon…how again? Your say so that does not agree with canon? My point is that the HE has to have a yield equal to or great than the KE. Correct, per the book that is what it is. A plasma torpedo isn’t…IDIOT! What do you call a giant glowing fiery ball that is roaring over your head towards the horizon? Plasma torpedoes scaled from the Halo 3 if you recall are 100 meters long. And what does the size have to do with anything? No, roaring overhead means it is moving, flying overhead. To bad for you I understand the book. Yep, that’s why those darn MT warheads that make no sense when you take into context ships crossing 80,000 million kilometers in an hour and 1000 km fireballs. Yep, no problem here at all.

Funny how the UNSC planned to produce the NOVA en mass unlikely Obsession. Hell, GoO has Cortana call in for FLEETCOM to NOVA Bomb the Delta Halo system, suggesting that even after Reach fell the UNSC could still make them, Unlike Obsession, the NOVA was not a one off never to be seen or heard about again. The NOVA Bomb was going to be produce en mass to level the playing field in space. It was not a one off to be never mentioned or seen again. And that still doesn’t change the fact that each fusion warhead would have 1/900th the yield of the NOVA. How about you prove that there wasn’t major damage to the planet when what was more likely less than half of Africa, to use your non-canon words “razed or nukedâ€? And I’m sorry, but Canon>>>You. Just because you thinks its stupid doesn’t mean anything. ITS CANON. Doesn’t change the fact it shows what Bungie believes a major glassing operation would look like, and its still canon. And the Forerunner relics are not a strawman, because in case you missed some major plot points EVERY PLANET GLASSED IN THE GAMES HAD A RELIC THE COVENANT WANTED INTACT ON IT. Fixed for accuracy. Problem is Halo high ends are a major plot and story point across the entire game series and the books. Clear outlier never seen again except maybe in that one eps. with the giant Amoeba. Unlike the UNSC NOVA Bomb which was going to be mass produced for clearing the leveling the battlefield again the Covenant in space. This wouldn’t happen to be General Order 24, would it? Because they were specifiable targeting the populations centers then. Lost Tech I believe. Even so, it was not meant as a weapon and more of a terraforming device. And they would first have to find a Covenant world. Given their far slower standard FTL speed of 1000 C compared to the nearly 350,000 C of a Covenant destroyer. The Covenant could go into Federation space as the Fed fleet set out, glass a world or two, take a vacation and party, take another vacation and party, return home and arrive before the Fed fleet even arrives. Doesn’t change the fact the shields went down to 400 Gigawatts. Quantify the level of destruction and if possible the state of the planet before. Outlier, also quantify these weapons if possible and why therefore we don’t see Fed ships carrying around greater firepower than these primitive weapons could do. Quantify the weapon. And what is this going to do to a shielded Covenant warship? Because as I said above, the Covenant can party all day and night for months and still arrive back in time to wipe the floor with them. This wouldn’t be the same Trilithium byproduct from Warp Cores I’ve heard about, is it? The one that needs to be stabilized to do this from what I know? Emphasis on the “knowâ€. I also believe this falls under lost tech or tech of the week we never hear about or see again. Nice and all, but since that isn’t a DET weapon like Covenant weapons are consistently shown to be it isn’t all that impressive. Super weapons. And visuals do not match up with the level of destruction we should be seeing. So they can do what the Covenant did to Harvest? Quantify the level of damage that would have been done if possible. Contradicted by Pegasus which has Riker stating they will need nearly the entire Photon torpedo load (250-300) to destroy the asteroid, most likely fragmentation. Assuming that half the blast from the each Photon torp hit’s the asteroid and that they use 275 out 300 the yield of each torp should be And this had fuck all to do with high end showings and shielded Covenant ships and space stations? The Covenant can make a planet uninhabitable forever short of massive terraforming efforts use to restore it. Whoop doo! The Covenant can use their engines if they wanted to and blow up stars. Quantify “obliterated†against this world.