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"The Bad Guys", huh? I'm glad they cleared that up.

We should add My Little Pony. Rainbow Dash would crush them all.

I guess it can be a spam thread then. Testes.... one.... two.... three??

This is true, and it's a very important scene. It's hard to say if the pot was aluminum or stainless steel. Either way, it's a good example. Especially considering the complete disintegration of the pot.

A couple of things here. Rock and armor are two entirely different things. Phasers are fantastic at drilling through and disintegrating rock, not so much armor and dense metal. Even solid granite is nearly three times LESS dense than iron. Iron also has a greater heat capacity, and better dispersive effects. Of course Phasers would have an explosive effect on rock. Rock heats unevenly, is prone to fracture, and contains small pockets of trapped air and moisture. Almost universally we have seen in Trek that armor and dense metals pose more of a challenge to Phasers than other objects. There is also quite a bit of discussion about projectile weaponry against armor, which has absolutely ZERO to do with Phasers. Kinetic weapons and beam weapons have entirely different effects on armor. Now, the one example you gave about the Noranium is excellent, because we are given numbers, we have screen time we can measure, and visual evidence. We can get a good idea of the amount of energy used. Once we have that information, we can compare that with the energy needed to melt through 3 inches of steel plating. The only pieces of information we don't have is the heat capacity of Noranium, and the total volume of metal vaporized. Going over the clip, they certainly didn't vaporize a pile of Noranium. They did, however, in short order, melt enough of it to release some nasty fumes. Here's the clip.

OK, a lot of these examples being given are either irrelevant or full of unknowns. We don't know the composition or density of these various crates and containers, so I'll stick to what we do know. You say a hand Phaser could kill a Sherman tank. A Sherman tank has 3 inch thick armor. If you can show me where a hand Phaser has taken out at least 3 inches of armor plating, or even steel, I will agree.

No, I don't actually think a hand Phaser could kill a tank. At least not in one shot, maybe if you focused on it for a while, or you took out the treads, then fused the joints so it couldn't fire at you. Now a CRM 114 would trash both a Sherman tank and an AT-ST. I'm pretty sure given a few shots, it could take down an AT-AT, but not the Starfleet equivalent of a sidearm.

OK. This I have to hear. How do you reckon a hand phaser can destroy an AT ST?

OK. How many of you play this amazing game? I've been completely enamored with it for the last 8 months or so.

At that point in time, Earth didn't have those kind of resources. Remember, the NX-01 was a prototype. Earth was more or less reliant on the Vulcans for any sort of military assistance.

No, it was something I meant to delete.I was testing a board function.

This is the Tomb of Sir Nitram, AKA Martin Kemmish. Pictures and text provided by his wife, Lady Tevar. Martin F. Kemmish, 32 of Charleston, WV passed away on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 at CAMC General Hospital after an accidental fall at home. He was born in Manchester, England and grew up in Norwalk, Connecticut. He met the love of his life and settled in Charleston, WV. Martin was a Boy Scout (Life rank) and a member of the National Honor Society. He was also a member of the Society of Creative Anachronism (SCA) in the Barony of Blackstone, Mountain. Martin Kemmish was very intelligent and unique guy. He was very British and proud of his heritage, as well as proud to be called a Geek. He loved books by Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, and was a player of RPG’s, Video Games, Online Games, and anything that challenged his mind. He was the administrator to many of his online forums and was well-loved by people he had only met online. His wit and knowledge and debating skills challenged many and gave him great renown amongst these forums. Martin loved Jimmy Buffet’s music, and learned to share his wife’s love of Southern Rock He is survived by his wife and best friend of 14 years, Kathy Kemmish of Charleston, WV; his parents, Fran and Geoff Kemmish of Boston; sister, Ruth Kemmish of Washington, DC; Uncle Dove and Aunt Diann Fletcher, of England; Uncle Lawrence and Aunt Jo Kemmish of France; mother-in-law, Marilene D. Bibb of Ansted, WV; cousin and his wife, Mathew and Karen Fletcher; brother-in-law, Tom Bibb and wife, Cheryl Perdue and family; brother-in-law, Dean Bibb and sons; Brett and Dorrane Bernard of Ansted, WV and Janice Wagoner of Charleston, WV and many online friends. Celebration of Martin’s Life will be held from 4:00 to 7:00 p.m. Saturday, June 21, 2014 at Barlow Bonsall Funeral Home, Charleston, WV. In lieu of flowers the family request donations may be made to: West Virginia Literacy Program Building 6, Room 304, 1900 Kanawha Blvd., East. Charleston, WV 25305-0330 or University of Virginia, Transplant Center, Health System Development Office, P.O. Box 800773 Charlottesville, VA 22908-0773. Sir Nitram with his loving wife, Lady Tevar. Sir Nitram relaxing at home. Sir Nitram posing.

Since our civilization began in 1997, several of our great warriors have become one with the Force. This is the place where we honor their memories, remember their lives, and exaggerate their deeds. Post stories, remembrances, and pictures however you like. Keep in mind, however, that flame wars and personal attacks will not be tolerated, and will be deleted immediately.

Jason, I can't see this turning into anything but a bloodbath for the 10 Federation soldiers. As much as I would love the Federation to win each and every contest, ground combat is not something UFP ground forces can win. While I agree that Phasers can be more powerful than blasters, that doesn't change the fact that blasters are still deadly, and UFP soldiers don't wear armor. While it's questionable if Stormtrooper armor could be much protection against Phasers, it's better than nothing at all. Not to mention that 1000 - 10 odds are insane no matter what.

Not everything I say is an attempt at some sort of cheesy parliamentary debate tactics. I was genuinely interested in where you stood on these ships' composition. You do have to know what sort of material and its properties you're dealing with if you're going to do any sort of accurate calculations. Also, the theory I have regarding Blasters and Turbolasers (which will be the subject of my second video, if I ever have time to make it) really renders the composition of the grate moot. However, when looking at massive shipbuilding projects, we have to consider what would be the most reasonable material to use. Would they build shittons of ships out of unobtanium and crystallized unicorn farts, or would they use a common, cheap material? I'm not saying Star Destroyers are huge chunks of hollowed out iron. That would frankly be insane. However, a mostly steel superstructure WOULD make sense. The hulls aren't that thick either. "Jedi Crash" shows the hulls to be about a meter thick.

Humor me then, if you would. What do you think an ISD is made of and what is your opinion on the material of which the infamous grate is constructed?

Clearly in this context, when he says everything, he's referring to the construction of buildings and ships. Iron is cheap and abundant. Makes sense.

You make a powerful point there, in fact I mentioned it to Brian and he just put out a video agreeing with you on it.

Watched that this morning. Since, I had never seen the film in question, or read the novel, this was interesting. While Disney did a great job of taking out the trash as regards the EU, we now have another (albeit smaller) problem. There will inevitably be disagreement between printed and film sources. This time though, there is no "lower canon" The books and films are on equal canon footing. So, how do we rectify situations like this? I suggest we follow George's "latest version" standard. Whichever one was filmed/written last takes precedence in case of disputes. It seems to me to be the only way to do it that avoids the appearance of cherry picking.

Reminds me of a quote from the late SirNitram, back in the good old days. The first lines are quotes from the person he's addressing.

I frankly think this is a good idea. If nothing else, an excellent thought experiment. What ways can we come up with for SW to have more realistic levels of power generation and still perform the same feats? I also came up with an idea a few days ago that I kicked around with a few friends. What if the ships aren't actually generating much at all? What if they're USING all the power the calculations seem to indicate, but they aren't GENERATING it? The example I thought of was two ships. They both cross the ocean. They both are the same size and require the same energy to move. However, one is powered by a diesel engine, and must generate all of the energy required for ocean crossing. The other is a sailing ship, and generates none of it's own power, except for the electrical, communications, navigation, and life support systems. The energy used to move it across the ocean is collected from the surrounding environment. (wind, waves, and currents) In Stargate we see ZPM modules used. They collect vacuum energy instead of generating it. This isn't without precedent in SW either. The Force is EXACTLY that. It's an "energy field that surrounds all living things" which Force sensitive beings draw from. In the (now non-canon) Knights of the Old Republic, the Rakata Infinite Empire used Hyperdrives which were powered by the Force. I'm not saying that SW technology is Force based, but why should we be limited to the idea that 100% of the power needed is generated on-site?

A fair question, ESAD. However, the reason we do it is simply because we enjoy it. The same reason people debate literature, music, and sports. It's our hobby.

Why should they be? Naval ships and tanks can't handle a volley of their own firepower. In fact, other than bunkers, I have a hard time thinking of any instance where a vehicle's defensive systems are stronger than its offensive capability.

They aren't unexplainable at all, actually. My personal theory is that blasters/lasers/turbolasers in SW are closer to Hellbores than actual lasers as we know them. A highly charged bolt of plasma temporarily contained within a magnetic field. They have a certain range before the field decays, and loses containment.