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OK, it's defiantly silly to claim that it's not canon. However, as we know, not all canon is created equal. A decent amount of things in the EU have been superseded by G and T canon sources. Really, the difference between G and T is minimal due to the fact that George is directly in charge of both. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to misunderstand the canon policy. They seem to think that in the EU, anything goes and is instantly enshrined as the gospel truth as long as there isn't a line or scene in the films or TCW that directly contradicts it. Which, by that reasoning, I could hypothetically write an EU novel mentioning that Vader is a closet cross-dresser who wears purple panties, and Hypermatter is made from the fur of fluffy bunnies. I can guarantee there isn't a scene or line in the films or TCW that says Vader ISN'T a crossdresser who wears purple panties, and that Hypermatter ISN'T made from the fur of fluffy bunnies. Does that make it so? If we stuck to the interpretation of the canon policy and hierarchy that some people have, it sure would be. Obviously, we have to make sure what is in an EU source we're using is actually SUPPORTED by G and T canon, not simply not contradicted by it. Yeah, that's not exactly what I meant. Obviously there are novels dealing with the distant past and the future after the movies. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about EU sources that deal with the timeline and events depicted in the movies and TCW TV series. A person should really use caution when basing arguments solely on EU sources when the debate is centered around events covered in the films and TCW. Especially when the claims made are extraordinary or outlandish and have no basis in the films, or TCW. This is especially true since the era of The Clone Wars is being fleshed more and more on a weekly basis. And George and the writers he has working for him don't exactly pour over minutia in the EU to make sure they don't step on an EU writer's toes. He writes his story the way he wants. If it stomps all over something an EU author wrote, oh well. In short, the EU has some really fantastic novels, resources, etc. It does a great job of dealing with backstories, filling in the cracks, expanding the the story and so forth, and it's certainly part of the overall canon. However, it should really be kept in it's place. Unfortunately quite a few people have put EU sources on a pedestal far higher than they ought to be, which was really the point I was making.

No idea. I know next to nothing about 40k. I just read the link and wondered how that fit in. It would seem like a huge disadvantage.

True. However you realize you're both right, don't you? Lucasfilm's canon policy and George's statements about the EU really do fit together. This is George's franchise. Period. He does with it what he wants. He lets Chee and others play in his sandbox, and produced what amounts to officially sanctioned fan fiction. However, when George wants to add something to his story, he does it. Simply put, EU writers are supposed to make sure their writing is in harmony with what George puts out. (They don't always do it, as we saw with the EP 2 ICS and others) however, George doesn't have to clear a damn thing with anyone. Whenever he decides to do revisions on the films (like the Special Editions and the Blu-Ray versions) or when new episodes of TCW are produced, they by default steamroll anything in their way. Ryloth is a great example. An EU writer showed Ryloth as tidally locked. Years later, TCW showed Ryloth as being a standard rotating planet. Guess which one wins? Which is why when someone is debating and they bring up an argument based entirely in the EU (especially dated or questionable EU sources) they had better back it up with G or T canon sources if they want to be taken seriously.

Just so we're on the same page here, what source claims millions of warships for the Empire? I see a reference in Wookiepedia, but there is no source listed. Preferably something more reliable than a comic book or a tabletop RPG, please.

Did nobody notice this little gem? "However, strong gravitational forces cause interference with a Narvhal's delicate senses. And so on final approach to a system, a Tyranid fleet can no longer use a Narvhal's ability but must resort to slower conventional propulsion whilst within a system's borders. This will often slow their arrival by years or even decades.1" So, having decades to prepare for an attack, or better yet, decades to pick them off one by one with warp capable ships. That's a pretty big disadvantage, I'd say. Something that could be easily capitalized on.

Now you're just trying too hard.

Oh. So you're saying that there would be 100,000 ships if the GE joined the UFP?

I'm not saying *I* think that number is correct, I was just providing a quote from someone making a high end guess. My point was, even a high end guess is far less than what Jason is proposing.

BTW, you just got Quote of the Week.

I don't think so. There are quite a few races who use plasma based weapons.

Jason is smoking crack as usual. Memory Alpha shows only speculation about it's size, as there never was any hard numbers given. Ronald D. Moore stated: "Regarding the quantity of starships Starfleet had in use in the late 2370s, Moore commented, "I wouldn't be surprised if Starfleet had 30,000 ships or so." (AOL chat, 1997) This was based on reasoning that the USS Hood has a registry of NCC-42296 while the USS Voyager is NCC-74656." That's just a guess, the real number is probably less. Still, nowhere near 100,000.

The Enterprise approaches an unusual looking Borg Cube. The Cube hails the Enterprise. Butthead of Borg: "Uh, huh huh huh..... uh, like hey there" Beavis of Borg: "meh heheh ehehhe heheh yeah. We're like the Borg and stuff. You're about the be assimilated." Butthead of Borg: "Yeah uh huh huh. Like drop your pants and assume the position. huh huh huh." Beavis of Borg: "Hey Butthead. You said ASSsume. heheheh" Butthead of Borg: "Uh huhuh uhuh yeah, but first you said ASSimilate. huh huh huh." Picard: "This is Captain Picard of the Federation starship Enterprise. State your business in this sector." Beavis of Borg: "Mehehhe heheh 'ENTERprise' hehehehhe" Butthead of Borg: "Yeah, uh huh huhu huh um, we want to assimilate you and stuff. We want all your cool crap like right now." Beavis of Borg: "Yeah. meheh heheh. We're going to add it to our collection and stuff. mehehheh" Butthead of Borg: "Whoah! Beavis! Check out that chick with the big boobs! Hey, baby. Beam on over. Resistance is futile. huh huh huh." Beavis of Borg: "Mehehehheheh yeah I'd like to inject her with my naoprobes. mehehehehhehe" Butthead of Borg "Yeah, Beavis. You're going to use your nanoprobes. Because you have a really small weiner. huh huh huh." Beavis of Borg "Shut up butthole!" *fighting and smacking sounds* Picard: "Mr. Crusher, turn about. Maximum warp. I'm not sure I want to see any more of this. Our mandate is to explore strange new worlds, but I don't think this is what Starfleet had in mind."

Cleveland.

Sisko is a badass. You should see Chuck's video commentaries. He says the Defiant should be called "Sisko's Motherfucking Pimp Hand"

Well, to be completely accurate, Chee works for George, and George has direct creative control of TCW. In all reality, The current version of the films (Blu-Ray) is the gold standard, and TCW is the next closest thing as far as canon goes. George does what he wants with his franchise, as we saw with Ryloth. What some EU authors envisioned Ryloth as isn't what George envisioned, so we see a drastically different Ryloth in TCW than we did in the EU.

Fill me in. What exactly did George say he disagreed with?

A shoulder mounted pony launcher? Truly a dangerous weapon.

I must have missed this one. How did this go?

Exactly. This clown would argue with me when I was AGREEING WITH HIM!

See? He DOES have something in common with Mike.

Exactly. I pray they don't do something so stupid in ST XII as to bring back Kahn.

Interesting. Where was this?

The warp scale was supposedly re-calibrated in the 24th century. Also, with the exception of the episode "Yesteryear", TAS is not considered canon.

I really wish that thread wasn't locked. I would love to have ripped him a new asshole.