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A: As you have been informed repeatedly, posting links to videos doesn't help unless you tell us what the video is supposed to prove. B: Thanks for proving my point about the shields being knocked down. At about 4 minutes into that video, the Negh'Var lets loose with an attack that takes down the shields of DS9. They don't use that attack again, and immediately begin beaming people in to DS9's command center. Do you actually watch the clips you post?

What the fuck does that have to do with it? The first quote implies that you think that those few starships would be enough to end the battle. "By what you are saying they would have a few secound [sic] to destory [sic] Deep Space Nine" would imply to anyone who speaks the english language that the Klingon fleet would be "destoried" in a few "secounds." Otherwise, why would they only have a few seconds to destroy Deep Space Nine? Are you just incapable of reasoning? Also, please use proper grammar. It is very difficult to understand your meaning when you use the constructions you are using.

Please indicate what the Big E would have done differently on the offensive. You will provide concrete examples.

Because DS9 would have been able to destroy the entire fleet in a few seconds? Seriously, what are you smoking? My point was that DS9 was effectively destroyed when the Klingons started boarding. Do you understand the difference between capture and destroy? If the Klingons had wanted to destroy DS9, it was done when the shields went down. Please, learn to write in english. It takes me longer to figure out what you are saying than it does to compose a reply.

Why does it suggest that? Also, where do you get the idea that the situations are in any way analogous? The Klingons in DS9 were trying to capture the station to use as a defensive base against the Dominion. We have no idea how things would have gone if they wanted to destroy it.

What in that link makes you think that the Enterprise-D wasn't getting its ass kicked? Just because the guys at the Alamo had to defend a fort doesn't mean that if they'd been able to maneuver, they could have defeated Santa Anna.

Dude, on my monitor, that line ends up being about 4 inches long. If you think that's big, I feel sorry for your significant other.

True, but I can imagine the carnage between, say, Shep and Elfdart, can't I?

My own PHPbb3 sites are a couple of internal boards. The one I want to see this on is SDNet.

Once he looked, Shatner got plenty of work. Besides, I never got the impression that he needed work. The guy seemed to spend most of his time on his various horse-related projects.

Darn, they're on 3. It would have been fun to see people self sig-flaming. Maybe if I have time I'll see if I can update the mod for 3. (Yeah, right.) EDIT: Stupid autocorrect.

While I don't see myself participating in this all that much, I have to ask: Do you know of a PHPbb implementation, or is this completely custom? I would love to see this over at the other place, with all the hatred there.

An interesting point to consider: ST ships use ACTIVE containment on their power systems, and those systems emphatically do not fail safe. I suspect that the use of Ion Cannons of Federation ships would be worse for them than shooting them with turbolasers.

Does anyone have a copy of the old ASVS flag from Dalton's site?

According to the report here, this was directed primarily at a specific assemblyman, but yeah, it is funny.

While my elementary understanding of radio would agree with you. Dodonna says that it is ray shielded in the briefing. That's why they have to use proton torpedoes.

Actually, I have them in my notes. And looking at the notes in more detail (Jesus Christ, I was a nerd) I have the shots in The Seige down as stun setting. There's nothing that rules out a large thermal component to the beam on higher settings, in fact there are a number of places were it makes sense (especially with the wounds that glancing hits seem to leave) ref: Li Nalas. My only problem with stating categorically that phasers have a thermal component to the beam is the number of incidents where we don't see any kind of burn on bodies.

The secondary sources seem to imply that it could, but I suspect that they would make the person inside rather uncomfortable so I tend to throw those statements out as stupid. Come to think of it, as my stats on hits on objects come from DS9, so that could be where the inconsistency comes from. How about we revisit this sometime in the new year, after I redo my TNG stats? Perhaps there is a difference between the two shows?

What does that picture have to do with the price of tea in China? You are going to have to elucidate your argument.

And how does this prove that the NDF works against the plastic look-alike that is stormtrooper armor. You can't argue this one way on one side and take the other side when you feel like it. Just because stormtrooper armor looks like plastic doesn't mean it is. I find nothing wrong with this conclusion at all. Especially as it lines up with the use of body armors in current militaries. Yeah, I've actually done statistics on that (reference in above post), and it is really strange. The reason I don't like to say they use KE is that there is no "equal and opposite reaction", i.e. no recoil. There is no doubt that they do something far beyond muscle contraction, but the only thing I can think of is that the phasorization process emits some kind of particle at tremendous velocities, causing the subject to move. This is why I think that phasers don't tend to move things they don't damage. Blasters seem to work via DET, which phasers don't so I don't see how blaster performance is relevant. See the above response, we are arguing two very incomplete data sets from opposite sides of the data. I would like to see a statistical analysis of blasters/stormtrooper armor similar to what I did with phasers, but do not have the time to do it myself. That was actually rather tongue in cheek. More of a poke at ST writers than an argument.

And I say that the similarly unreliable performance of phasers against anything other than humanoid bodies wearing clothes raises doubts about their ability to cause damage to anything. I really never intended to say that Stormtrooper armor was strong, simply to say that I don't think the evidence that NDF of phasers would work against it is there. Basically, we are approaching this from opposite directions. You are looking at the admittedly strange performance of the armor and saying it doesn't stop shit. I am looking at the statistical data I have (which can be found here)* which seems to show that when phasers are used, the result depends to a large degree on the target. "The Seige" [DS9] has a lot of this, not necessarily crates though. "Blaze of Glory" is an example of packing crates. * When my work schedule calms down I will consider doing a more thorough study of TNG and finishing DS9. The genesis of that statistical data was on the question of KE, rather than packing crates.

I've heard Dragon Age: Origins is very much in the mold of KotOR. I haven't had a chance to play it yet, though.

That looks really good. It makes me want pie.

I never said it was, I said that NDF is extremely selective, and the materials it works on seem to be very, very, plot dependent. I will grant that the NDF will work if it strikes the bodysuit under the stormtrooper armor. Whether NDF works against the armor itself would depend on the tone of the episode, and would probably vary throughout the run of the show, depending on if the writers want to portray the stormtroopers as an unstoppable enemy, or as a plot device. There's never been a race/group portrayed that way.

I've got the ebooks, I'll check it out. Here are the initial questions I'd ask: How much energy can ST shields absorb? How do phasers interact with multi-thousand G gravitational fields? How do the interact with sensors? How do ST shields deal with contact nuking? How do ST ships perform in a point defense mode, are phasers even capable of this? What is the engagement range? Honorverse ships can engage from virtually unlimited ranges in 1920PD. At long range ST ships will get slaughtered.