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WOW... Conservation of Energy fail...

Oh, the "you have no idea what you're talking about" way. Now I get it.

In what way?

Of those, the most easy to quantify is the UFP - both becuase matter/antimatter gives a single energy release equation, and because Data can't keep the technobabbling shut off.

HOW WOULD AN ENERGY BEAM NOT BE AFFECTED BY RAY SHIELDING? ANSWER OR I SPLIT AND PUNT THIS ENTIRE TANGENT.

That was kinda my point. Implying stellar type fusion doesn't mean burning deuterium the way most modern power generation discussions do.

Fine, but what is that sun burning? Helium, Hydrogen, Carbon, god forbid... HYPERMATTER?

Prove a transporter beam can breach a ray shield. NOW

Hunger bays sound like something out of The Mirror Univers. "Jason's not making sense again!" "Send him to the hunger bays for reeducation!"

Arguing with Jason (or with anyone) is impossible unless one establishes a common mode of analysis (unless - of course - you are arguing about the mode of analysis). I've stopped caring about the meat of his arguments, but it should be pointed out that a common thread for him is that he misunderstands editing in a movie and looks at events as being sequential even when they don't have to be. You - on the other hand - have not committed any gross violations of intelligent thought, and so I have no real conflict with you. I don't care about the debate per se any more, and have reeduced my participation in sites related to it drastically.

Pretty sure Vympel's an Aussie.

And how is beaming it in going to help? PHOTON TOROPEDOES DO NOT SWIM OUT!

Skooj, Jason doesn't understand sequencing. He also doesn't understand that films are unable to depict simultanious events, and some must occaisionally resort to time travel to tell a story properly. Jason needs a very simple narative structure. I would suggest the Harry Potter books, and others of that ilk. Complex stories, simple narrative structure, and they use it well.

Right, and "instant sunshine" means that a nuke operates by the same principles as a star. Let's leave aside the fact that fusion as it is used in power generation circles and used in astronomy circles are not really the same thing, and that a star can burn a hell of a lot more than just deuterium. I expect better from this place - well, except for Jason.

I have no idea what you are talking about. We have always been at war with Oceana.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY IT GOES!!!!!!!!! QUESTOR PUNTS IT CLEAN OFF THE FIELD! THE DEFENDING TEAM WILL GET THE BALL ON THE 20.

You people make me tired.

You know, now that I think of it, if Palpy had just read the rules, he wouldn't have gotten beaten as badly as he did. Number 63 would have solved EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS PROBLEMS!

I'm pretty sure that that's against the Evil Overloard Rules.

Yeah, but when's the last time - other than Sisko & the Defiant (or U.S.S. BSMFPH if you prefer) - that the Fed's even HAD two brain cells to rub together with regards to weapons? Seriously, the minute they declared war with the Klingons, they should have sent someone to drag Sisko back to Utopia Planitia. Although - come to think of it - given the lead times involved in the larger starships, there's every chance that Sisko helped design the Sovereign, Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre, and Norway classes. The Intrepid class doesn't seem like his style, and neither does the Nova class. If I had to choose which ones were most likely his, I'd go with Defiant, Sovereign, Akira, and Sabre (noticing the more martial theme in the class ship's names.)

That's not the point. It's an example of an aircraft that got so large that the only option to build it was to strap a total of TEN engines (6 Propelers, 4 Jets) on to it to make it fly. And it's descendant many years later had EIGHT JET ENGINES.

The B-36 laughs at you.

He showed up at SDN as well... He was not recieved warmly.

A Ron Moore character realizes there is a plan, and follows it. A JMS character realizes there is a plan, follows it for a while, and then in a massive cliffhanger tells the planner what to do with himself. A Brannon Braga character doesn't notice the plan in the middle of all the bad writing, deus ex machina, and technobabble. A David Weber character never notices the plan because they are so awesome that they defeat the plan by both their brains and individual, qualitative superiority - even though it outnumbers them eight billion to one. A Keith Laumer character realizes the plan, sets himself up in front of the plan, and defeats it by committing suicide. A Christopher Anvil character never has time to notice the plan, they are too busy running from one insane crisis to the next. Thoughts or additions?