InvaderSkooj

Needs a repost all I see is "Posted Image"

Meh, ours is supposed to eat us in a few billion years or so when it expands to a red giant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6jQZ9yTMM&feature=related UFP FAILS THEY HAVE NO CHOPPER

Well he has a point

As usual You refuse to provide evidence and ignore anything you don't like, this will be my last reply as continued debate is pointless ISD mk II carries 64 heavy guns on the top of the hull, I assumed another 36 on the sides (rpg stats give a mk2 100 heavy guns) which were seen to be able to fire at an angle to the plane of the hull. An ISD with its top facing the planet and angled slightly away should be able to bring all 64 turret guns plus all its trench guns to bear on a large target such as a planet. ie Provided no evidence that 259 gigatons would wipe out all life on a planet And I can't believe you think this describes "localized effects" I guess up in crazyland "global" means something entirely different than global From Houghton -Mifflin onlin dictionary Having the shape of a globe; spherical. Of, relating to, or involving the entire earth; worldwide: global war; global monetary policies. Comprehensive; total: "a . . . global, generalized sense of loss"(Maggie Scarf)

Which you've provided no evidence to support Yet the 38 mentioned are each individually more powerful than the figure you keep harping out Actually it was Megatons per shot as I explained in post 104 Ahh not paying attention again, nowhere in this thread have I claimed teratons per shot. My initial premise was three SDs delivering 1 petaton over 24hrs. Incidentally this is 6 times less than the postulated wilkes or shiva impacts with 48km asteroids Presumably they were being hit contantly as per the novelization, and having to negate bridge smashing asteroids the entire time all of which takes energy Except I never claimed petatons Obviously you werent paying attention when I got megatons for individual shots, and that same contratdict you keep harping on directly contradicts higher canon, my calc is in the same OoM required to negate a bridge smashing asteroid really now? All of which is quite unquantifiable Which as you have shown, you have paid no attention to since my calc worked out to megatons per shot Whatever...given your other examples it seemed you were insinuating more Oh Lets see other sources the specifically state the quote also refers to the superlaser, and common sense and RotJ tell us the fleet also has capital ships to which the superlaser represents a threat Yet the energy has to come from somewhere, and as you have shown you consider anything not explicitly shown to be wrong, unless it is a poor showing of course Darksaber contradicts ESB thus is invalid, my calcs are closer to ESB then the explicit non-nuclear effects in darksaber

I'll post the rest later, the board keeps trying to eat my post or display a bunch of gibberish Oh and read post #104 you've apparently missed something

None of which are terminally irreconcilable with higher showings Which is irrelevant, since you can't quantify it in any way Which you have made out to much more severe than demonstrated Since when is an impact capable flinging super heated eject around the world localized Which does jack outside the blast radii of the individual 1 MT shots As it would be by a much by a much larger teraton+ impact Which you have privided no evidence to support, As shown on p.742 the nuclear winter effects (to include global firestorms caused by ejecta) failed to wipe out everything on the planet Still doesn't add up to the sum of known event that failed to wipe out life on Earth

I vote shoot him in the back of the head, and bill his heirs for the bullet

Which is irrelevant to the original point Also irrelevant TLs dont cause radioactivity. Asteroids also cause nuclear winter effects( impact winters) yet failed to wipe out life on Earth many times. Occam's razor bitchslaps you in the face And if we want to go down this road, TCW FULLY SUPPORTS ICS

Irrelevant Or it might not have, and if so yield is unknown As you have said before no mention is made of it in the books, and the shields were of course sabotaged Funny how it isnt in the actual paper You keep neglecting the molten ejecta flung into orbit, that is going to fall back down all over the planet starting planet wide wildfires and when in doubt there's always the Multiple Impact theory As shown on p.80; orbital ejecta will potentially leave no part of the planet untouched And much greater releases of nonnuclear energy have failed to wipe out life on earth time and time again http://www.unb.ca/pa...ameterSort3.htm Every crater 22km+ represents an impact greater than 250 gigatons of which there are 38 or so Explain how it contradicts ESB, as I said DS explicitly states the TL to be at max power, and the damage is less than ESB, contradicting higher canon. TCW can also be considered to contradict higher canon if you take the TCW visuals at face value Yup after days of wandering around the asteroid field being hit all the time and the whole lack of shields. Yes and pretend it somehow represents a upper limit As I said taking TCW visuals at face value would contradict G canon Which appear to contradict G canon when taken at face value An actual 500megaton-1 gigaton explosion would create a fireball that lasts 73-100 seconds not the fraction of a second seen in SoE Odd the episode makes no mention of deactivated antimatter. Also if it was truly powerless as you claim, blowing it up so the alien couldn't leave the planet was redundant, with no power for shields 500-1000 megatons to destroy a shuttle is excessive and entirely out of character for Picard As shown by this torpedo warhead, It is nowhere nearly big or heavy enough to possibly contain enough anti-deuterium for a 500-1000MT explosion(23-46kg minimum) Given how hes barely holding it I doubt it contains enough antimatter for a 100MT explosion either You just used skin of evil as an example of high firepower Which you've already dismissed out of hand, dodonna quote, reactor scaling etc. And of course you keep insisting ESB is some sort of upper limit which is patently wrong. Using your logic, presuming the asteroids vaporized were the same size as the one that struck the bridge tower(to prevent them from blowing up the bridge tower) produces energy figures in the same order of magnitude as I calced for a single shot And of course here you go wanting to throw out the EU again

Only at the most minimum level

How they supposed to get through 75km of deathstar to the reactor

Except we've never seen a shuttle going .99c

A shuttle at warp would have to drop to impulse to attack, given how JH bugs have only been seen to ram at impulse and the Klingons and everybody else cant warp strafe DS9; a nice nearly immobile target

Pretty good for cheap ass DSL

Shuttles are bigger than mines or torpedoes and more likely to be hit by LTLs

Blows up when a bug rams it

JH battleships are huge, one should rape a GCS

ISD Mk 1 6xtwin HTL + 2x twin Heavy Ion cannon http://www.theforce....rd/ISD_Guns.jpg ISD mk II 8x octuple HTL http://www.theforce....oklyn/Isd09.jpg

ST is just as inconsistent with the added bonus its all the same level of canon. All it proves is Thrawn didnt have access to many ships Unknown the books only say sabotaged, don't elaborate on how. No mention is ever made of turbolasers or ion cannons on Caamas, who are described in other books as being pacifistic. Nor have you shown how an unknown number of power generators is going to contibute significantly to an extinction level event simple enough Nope all I'm arguing is the bombardment lasted no more than a day, and everything died Now, show where the hippy scientist's paper says where its going to kill everything on the planet. Its pretty irrelevant otherwise, SINCE LIFE ON THIS PLANET SURVIVED THE IMPACT and IMPACT WINTERS OF EVERY MAJOR ASTEROID STRIKE SINCE THE CREATION OF LIFE. Since the actual sentence isnt explicitly sourced, it may not be exactly worded By all means prove your low yield nuclear winter is going to kill everything on the planet and Darksaber is thrown out by ESB, since it is specifically said to be conducted at full power which contradicts the asteroid destruction in ESB, your bizarre interpretation of SW canon aside. Nothing is "countered" by another unless it contradicts a higher source, which the bombardment of Darksaber does Who said they were only by one interpretation Again only by one interpretation, which involves doppelgangers or shapeshifters Depends entirely on interpretations, since the books with actual numbers in them cant be true been scaled an calced by people far less biased than RSA results 880kilotons- ~100 megatons depending which torpedoes you use for scaling, and taking the vaporization mentioned in the dialog at face value , No fireball, being shot at warp capable shuttlecraft that carries more AM than a salvo of torpedoes Your joking right? . No just superceded by your interpretation of canon, and incidents in higher canon

Yeah I was referring to ISD mkII, are apparently refering to a mk I

I was refering to the individual batteries[8 barrels x 4 mounts] as barbettes apparently you were not. you meant 32 barrels per side right

I know. He says they were shooting the asteroids with them And its like 4 octuple batteries per side

Specter of the Past and Visions of the Future, and since we're talking firepower it's still a red herring disabled as shown by modern life easily accomplished with a few gigawatts This is where you'd provide evidence why this would make up a significant percentage of the energy required to kill every living thing on the planet. Occams razor frowns upon you Now show me the quote from the book that says that, last I checked Wookiepedia wasn't canon. I took that into account 1 petaton probably isnt enough to kill everything in 1 day, just like the 100 teratons didn't kill the dinosaurs in one day. Usually I use 1e25J,and for all you know I put that into the wookiepedia article And since they spent hours to days in the asteroid field depleting their shields this jives with my firepower calc. ISDs would only have high megatons to low gigatons for shields Earlier they killed 2 million in seconds, they have hundreds to thousands of ships available they were supposed to have a fleet of 30,000 remember and going by the number of ships they had more than enough time and ships to TDiC the place How am Ignoring the higher end, TDiC says Earth should be a lifeless planet with 30% of its crust gone. UFP still had no defense againt the breen energy dampening weapon at that point any defenses would have been trivially brushed aside. the Breen had jut gotten through wiping out a fleet remember. Dont ignore higher SW huh, was that a joke? Last I checked ICS was the devil round these parts