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Depends. Some imperial guard regiments are worse than stormtroopers or redshirts. Some are better, most are around the same level. Space marines are far superior

I'm pretty sure he meant the antimatter by itself

This would be painful,especially if the manty was in battlearmor and carrying a plasma cannon

They got lucky

a 50MT bomb should leave a 3km crater, the 15MT Ivy mike device left a 2km crater, 5km is inconsistent with a teraton detonation, note the 100TT dino-killer left a 160km crater. a 5km crater is probably low GT range at best Or the teratons are just propaganda No I applied the weaker end to ST and the higher to SW, there was no double standard in regard to ICS Yup the same ones whose shock wave doesnt wipe out everyone on the ground in Halo 3 Yet hundreds are incapable causing significant harm to covenant ships while 58.5KT MAC guns destroy them in 3 shots on average Scene change in the middle of the longsword escape allows for a possible timeskip. fireball issues render the PoA destruction suspect since the halos dont appear to have 100km of atmosphere among others, fireball duration, and lack of the double flash characteristic of high yield fusion detonations being some others halo2 battle is useless without a measurable range, might only be 100km away. Not to mention technical issues due to game engine rendering the uncovering of the portal isnt indicative of any high firepower, voi is 140-150km from mombasa and depending on where the portal is in relation to the 2, a 1GT explosion in the middle of both would level residential housing on the exposed outskirts of both and caused thermal damage to exposed surfaces. A 1TT detonation would have incinerated everything in between the two, leveled everything within 260+km, leveled residential housing for almost 700km, non of which was seen in halo 2-3 as shown by MrOragahn and Monster104 on SBC halo3 has serious scaling issues so your high end in game representations are open to interpretation along with everything else And now for the low showings just from the games, Bombardment of reach as seen in halo2, MAC gun firing in H3, Assault carrier getting ganked by a small chunk of high charity,Glassing of africa as seen in H3, uncovering the portal as seen in ODST, new membossa slipspace rupture rather less destructive than Implied in H2 ODST, and of course the secondary broadside weapons from Hwars, seven low-end from the highest canon. Newest showing of the highest canon suggest lower yields or technobabble 8 actually see above i forgot about the slingshot If your joking there isnt any point in continuing, seriously defending highend halo is laughable in the extreme, and note most your examples involve the forerunners. The majority of the canon suggest lower yields or non DET weapons

And as I told you at SB, use the SDN calculator it accounts for relativity No by all means produce a quote for ten-thousand ships, and given the conflicting nature of halo canon only an idiot really believes the high GT- TT calcs Irrelevant when they're supposed to tank a TT MAC round or three, they should be able to tank megaton proximity explosions Still doesnt change the fact SW canon numbers are bigger. 600tons @ 30,000m/s, of which covenant ships only take 2-3, and archer missiles with their HE warheads are viable antiship weapons. SW most pathetic showings are overridden by movie canon, which sadly isnt the case for halo DS, galaxygun, sun crusher, base delta zero, baradium fission devices, eclipse and sovereign class dreadnoughts.............yawn

Oh yay now a moronic haloite as well. Covenant ships are vulnerable to proximity detonated 30MT HORNET mines, which means they are vulnerable to ST weapons. RotS: ICS, states a Venator class SD is capable of annihilating 40,000tons of hypermatter a second, and also says its DBY-827 HTLs are capable of taking the entire reactor output, equating to a 3.6e24J broadside. The ISB states the size of a sector group/fleet at 1600 warships we know from various other sources there are over 1000 sectors in the empire, putting the imperial fleet at over 1.6million ships SW outguns and outnumbers the covenant.

But theres 5 billion gigawatts in there

Short list, so short I aint listing it

I cant believe it took me this long to notice micro torpedoes arent actually mentioned in ST canon. Which is why I cant remember an episode where they were fired or how big they actually are

G-canon doesnt really support that. And again trek torpedoes are tiny compared to the ones on Acclamators, Venators, Victory-Is, Executors, Torpedo spheres I was thinking of something more recent funny I only remember 1 source rating SW shields in watts, and it says SW ships have MT range point defense guns Evidence? I know you hate using it but you could at least attempt to. Handily covered by variable yields, wouldnt want to waste antimatter. Nope C level just like the rest. Lucas didnt write the novel, if it was in the screenplay it would be G canon though They're all C canon, and nothing post ICS AFAIK mentions a yield, megatons are small in comparison to giga or teratons So its not just praeothmin, everyone at SFJ views that as valid, I weep for the world's educational system Thats basis of the entire argument against ICS, you really want to go down this road? see above, considering the implications of the dodonna&solo quotes , ICS figures are decidedly conservative Plurality would have been a better word, and the ICS, NEGVV, etc are also just as canon as anything else in C canon Ahh the magic of non DET weapons like good old phased poleron beams. Nowhere did I say the trench guns were, although the possibility remains could have taken a full broadside and survived, especially if it was the actual medical frigate which was killed by the death star Right sure it is. AFAIK, they have never mentioned a yield for the mighty phased poleron beam, perhaps they are less than 900MW, they seemed to lose much of their uberness after the shield modification, or they just werent firing at full power at the runabouts(the all time vs debate cop out)

And in comparison ST small craft and missile weapons arent reaped from the skies in droves either And there are canon sources for SW that explicitly provide quantification, yet excluded for the same reasons(no visuals). I'll take your word for it , I aint gonig to watch ST5 ever again, if humanly possible. A 2000lb MK84 contains 900kg of explosive for 2ishGJ, a Mk82 500lb bomb around 110 kg for around 400ish MJ which would be roughly equal to a couple 203mm howitzer rounds, I never mentioned anything specific as I cant find a pic of that scene, and I refuse to watch that movie ever again Quotes, video , they're your friends Sorry the episode doesnt agree with you How odd you were just insinuating it was a fusion device One would think so a baradium fission weapon was described as a planet buster yet small enough to fit in the millenium falcon without having to cut holes. Still looking for the LOTF quote that mentions baradium in proton torpedoes And yet you cant provide a scrap of evidence that a micro torpedo can fit a gram of antimatter in it, and swear up and down proton torpedoes are only a kiloton

And I could say the same applies to trek We can do this all day long, still no evidence they were firing at max yield, and RL air support is usually limited to hundreds of meters from your own troops depending on what they're dropping{not 2000lb. bombs} as so not to kill them Except when such yields would have been useful in combat, it works both ways here. We can sit here forever, and point out low-showings, and make excuses why they didnt fire at full power when it would have been useful I doubt the holes in the ground they came from, had republic troops in them. And their explosions were non nuclear in yield, And dont get me started on the number of times higher yield in trek would have been useful Which is similar to the difference between blowing up a stick of dynamite on the ground, where most of the explosive force will expand in the direction of the least resistance, and burying the same stick of dynamite in the ground, and blowing it up. The second crater will be bigger. Yet there's an order of magnitude of difference between you're fantasy yields, and the necessary power needed to craterize asteroids (most likely loose rubble) with surface shots who, I might add, were very numerous, and in very short succession, so there's a very real possibility of the repeated hits having their effects add up, some of them even going deeper in cracks made by previous shots, thus easing the fragmentation process... Yeah, I'm the one who's got problem grasping concepts, and yet you're the one who can't even see the difference in magnitude between your wank Firepower and the effects that were seen... Note I said magically make it to the ground, cant use technical terms they might go over your head Air resistance would slow something that small so much the friction would melt and vaporize it long before it hit the ground And yet the explosion and damage was nowhere near that level, damn mass lightening AND with that I grow tired defending ICS Its just as canon as darksaber, TDiC, or ST5. And I dont feel like digging through novels to demonstrate ICS compatible shit

Your link didnt work Which is why I asked for the visual evidence to point out how foolish it is. And you produced nothing other than more rhetoric. And as I noted irrelevant to a runabout Except the TIEs were chasing an A-wing, and you've yet to establish yield or anything relevant, and as shown later in the same movie demonstrates a much higher level of durability Anyone that close to a 2000lb bomb would have been killed by blast effects alone, not to mention shrapnel Nice retort. Your evidence is where again? Wesleys science project wasnt quantified in any way, and runabouts are vulnerable to 900MJ/s weapons, no reason for micro torpedoes to be any more destructive then that Better than you apparently. Clearly the deuterium tube is part of the detonator No direct relation between a bulk cruiser and a nebulon, and still no yield although there is a book that mentions yield, and of course G canon of one not blowing up at the sight of an ISD Evidence? I know you hate using it but you could at least attempt to. Not really, small volume, they are MICRO torpedoes still need guidance,propulsion etc, and non perfect reaction efficiency, not to mention your assumption that proton torpedoes are plain jane nuclear weapons are not supported by canon Yet you dont let it stop you from leaping to conclusions Thank you for conceding, it wasnt that hard Concession noted Hundreds of episodes in multiple series and 10 movies, and all you can list is 16 episodes, less than 10%. Most of which are from the outdated largely retconned ToS. You sure have a unusual definition of "usually" means RotJ 1:50:48-51 Granted the scene is about 2 seconds long and only hit by ISD trench guns 3 times but several orders of magnitude above your low estimate. Unless it jumps to hyperspace or blows up off screen its well on its way to taking an ISDs broadside.

Your yuri is weak

MAX yield was the important part, nowhere were they described as using max yield and ICS clearly label most the weapons maximum yield, not the standard or lowest possible yield Or cause excessive collateral damage, and potentially jeopardize the mission Applies just as much to ST, with MW-GW phasers unable to penetrate, plastic crates Still have large area of effect, with potential catastrophic implications, and given that SW blasters and TL ignore gravity, not hard to shoot a couple cm too high and hit something Km behind your target I would try to explain how dumping an excessive amount of energy on a single spot would explosively disrupt the whole, and how surface impact are less efficient than the centrally buried explosive the ADC uses to derive it yield. But you have shown you are incapable of comprehending anything but the most basic concepts, the most simple underlying mechanisms is clearly beyond your grasp. Thus based on this and your insistence to scale fireballs in space as they would in an atmosphere, my simplistic explanation is still lightyears beyond your comprehension most likely The funny thing is a small rock dropped from orbit would cause a bigger boom assuming it could magically survive reentry to hit the ground in a single piece. (a 2kg rock dropped from 5000km would impact with almost 100MJ)

Well continue to believe your rubbish, not like anyone with sense actually actually does Well at least both are intelligent enough not to drop suicidal yield weapons on their heads Nope it was Wedge

nice .127. link So no runabout accelerations. By all means vids or screen caps I want to see this close maneuvering at 80000km/h not that is relevant to anything here . And your calcs to rebel fighter speed besides being irrelevant, arent canon. You still havent shown a yield for any of a runabouts weapons backed by canon. You claimed TIE interceptors damaged the frigate, get some screen caps and point it out, or concede Still canon as pathetic as it is, although an outlier, yes. My point has been made And you have yet to provide any canon source to justify your claimed mass, reaction efficiency, reactant etc. I can claim that torpedoes are loaded with 1 picogram of gaseous antihydrogen that reacts at 2% efficiency(better than fusion lol). And your proton torpedo calc presumes that the deuterium was the primary charge, whereas it might just be the booster, or detonator for the main proton scattering charge,and not representative of the entire potential of the warhead, which is irrelevant anyway as I dont remember Nebulon-Bs carrying proton torpedoes. Based on what, going by volume they dont have much room for gaseous antihydrogen, and 100% efficiency realistically is a pipe dream. And your evidence it was still charging after 900MW was announced is what exactly? Then where's your quotes stating a runabouts engagement range? Right even though battles on both sides usually take place within spitting distance And you have yet to provide anything backed by canon that even suggests a runabout could even scratch the paint much less penetrate the shields on a nebulon-B, which are capable of going toe to toe with an ISD for a short period of time. And you have bupkiss on a runabout inflicting serious harm on anything significantly larger than itself And runabouts havent demonstrated anti capship levels of firepower

Not really, they seem to think its a big deal though

No weapons with a kiloton max yield Explosions and cratering have many variables. Loose sand on Iwo jima protected marines from near direct hits by mortars while marines a few feet away in packed wet sand werent so lucky When dealing with visual sci-fi this is always an option Not necessarily. No one in SW has 100% accuracy, 1 stray shot and there went the reason for your rescue mission Science is lost on the simple minded Well just means they almost as good as photon torpedoes, MJ(ST5)- megatons,maybe? thats like 1000000%

You keep mentioning this yet no screen cap or video. Sarcasm is lost on the dumb

Yup on the ground

And neither display anything unachievable in modern aircraft, which are easily shot down by warships and ground systems with markedly inferior agility so nothing then other than you saying 1000-10000G, your lack of evidence other than to attack calcs easily supported by canon numbers is hardly suprising And we dont see any runabouts destroying massively larger ships,tis all I'm requiring TIE were chasing an A-wing and firing on it, the poor medical was just sitting there with no noticeable damage, by all mean prove your imaginary damage So the the ST5 torpedo was gigajoules? I think you may suffer from something, I'd recommend having your doctor examine your head Sorry I was too nice to say ludacrious, for the reasons stated below You dont need to? unknown reactant(likely antideuterium),reaction efficiency(not 100% realistically), actual warhead volume(not the entire torpedo). All of these taken into consideration make it less clear cut then you'd like to believe Once again reactant, reaction efficiency, warhead volume make it less then cut and dried Based on what exactly Its not the one its the 2-10 excuses excuses still nowhere near GJ-GT range as you have claimed Oh so no evidence then, how surprising Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night Coincidentally similar sources cite the Nebulon-B as one of the counters against rebel fighter raids. Not that that's really relevant to anything All in all its not too surprising you hide at SFJ. Maybe if went through your pet franchises with the same zeal and methodology you use for SW and 40K you'd look less like a raving lunatic

Too bad TV isnt real. when in doubt just make up your own science Your fireballs you so desperately want to pretend mean something in space No just one that can be backed up with actual science Just like the clone army and jedi akbar wasnt even in the scene

While more maneuverable than an ISD, ST capital ships havent displayed any agility greater than a Boeing 747 can achieve.