Jason

By saying had to do Politics are you sugesting that UFP was not fighting a war of surival against Klingon during Star Terk Yesterday Enterprise. Over something terriory issues that Federation afford to give up.

You saying that the UFP was not fighting for surival during Star Terk Yesterday Enterprise. Maybe over some territory issues.

It old question of mine in Star trek DS9 been able to lose 900 billion Federation lives before being force to surrender but The Federation in Star Trek Yesterday Enterprise with just lose over two billions people the UFP push to near surrender in just two months.

We do not even known how the defector dish works on USS Enterprise D? So possible energy could be control in a way that would allow it to be a lot cooler when firing then when it hits it target. Borg may have found some way handle that kind of weapon as will.

I most made error forgive me.

To find out how power main defector dish of Galaxy class starships is. First we most the amount heat takes destroy hull that is a little over 12,000. We could sure that that if USS Enterprise D was going to fire main defector dish it would be destroys if firing at 30,000km. Km is equal to US mile equal to 1.609347 km. This means that USS Enterprise D if firing at about 18,641 miles away from the Borg cube it would be destroyed. Now have to times 18,641 by 12,000. We got time this number 223, 9200 by two to got amount energy that hit Borg cub because for each mile father away the explosive it is twice as weak. We got 44,738,400 degree C more then I think even Star destroyer could withstand.

Check out nuclear bomb blast it lose about half it every 2 miles. 30,000 kms is about 18,645 miles. Times it by two then times it by 720,000 and you got 4,428,000 degree Celsius the real amount heat the USS Enterprise D hit that burg cube with.. If accurse 30,000 km is suicide with the USS Enterprise D using her main defector dish as a weapon with her shields up. I do not think a star destroyer it could withstand that kind of heat.

Hull of a Galaxy class starship can withstand a little more then twelve-thousand degrees C according to Star trek (TNG: "Descent, Part II") This means 12,010 degree Celsius to destroy USS Enterprise D. Lets say 30,000 Km is suicide range for us main defector dish a weapon on a Galaxy class starships. Means the Galaxy class starship was hitting that Borg cube in star trek Best World Part 2 with more then 720,000 degree Celsius of heat. I am not even count the shields by the way so it was most likely more. I do not think A ISD can take that kind bang for long.

Hull of a Galaxy class starship can withstand a little more then twelve-thousand degrees C according to Star terk (TNG: "Descent, Part II")

I own movie but I do not know how to download it to this page. If you can tell me how to I will do so.

This is the vidio backs my clain I hope I did it right.You soon see what a Miranda class starship blow to bits.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k7pd2BubWgcwVnf3y4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHdp3idfpFI

Go to Youtube and type in Battle of Wolf 359 then watch the vidie.

Here part a scrip INT. ESCAPE POD (OPTICAL)

as the tactical officer leads in Sisko... where the security

officer is seated holding Jake... along with a dozen others

in cramped lifeboat fashion.

The tactical officer presses panels... the door slides shut

and then without ever cutting outside, there is a woosh and

a shake and in the window, we see the Saratoga as our pod

shoots away from it... and Ben Sisko never takes his eyes

off it... and we may see other pods as we get further away...

and other wreckage of broken ships... and notice the flashes

of lightning from continued warfare with the Borg not far

away... but we stay inside the pod... and then the Saratoga

explodes... and the light fills Ben's face...

Please read scrip and type in at you Battle of Wolf 359.

We only got to see a smell part ship got destroy Sacrifice angle before fly off screen. As for Wrath of Con Federation starship did not have as powerful of a warp drive as they have in Star Trek TNG. Miranda class starship more power warp drive in Star Terk TNG meaning biger explosions.Go to Youtube and look up Battle of Wolf 359 and see for yourself

Watch star terk DEEP SPACE nine: "Emissary the USS Saratoga (NCC-31911 Miranda class and it was blow to bits during Battle of Wolf 359.

Read this scrip "Night Terrors"

DATA

When Tyken was trapped in a Rift,

his analysis determined that a

massive energy release might

overload and dislocate the

anomaly. Fortunately, his cargo

included anicium and yurium, which

he used to detonate a massive

explosion. He then escaped

through the ruptured center of

the Rift.

Tyken made explosion using anicium and yerium to excape Tyken Rift. No way that Tyken could have used a to focuse the power of the beam.

I still stand by the main defector dish.

I can rule out all of your reasons.Can rule out all the possible you gave me. UFP cares more about it crews then then starships. Staying in that place would put USS Enterpise D and crew in danger. If hand phaser hit warpcore that could destory USS Enterpise D. Most USS Enterpise D crew not being sleep. In few days of that could easiy destory USS Enterpise D.The other possible gave did not make any sense they need to make massive explosion.

Read this part scrip see why I disagree with you on "Night Terrors"

DATA

When Tyken was trapped in a Rift,

his analysis determined that a

massive energy release might

overload and dislocate the

anomaly. Fortunately, his cargo

included anicium and yurium, which

he used to detonate a massive

explosion. He then escaped

through the ruptured center of

the Rift.

I still hold stand about Main defector dish.

In Star Terk TNG "Night Terrors" They try used main defector dish to free themselves form the Tyken's Rift and fall. The fact they never even try to make USS BRattain exploded to try free themselves form the Tykens rift means one thing. That Defector dish sends out greater shoke wave then USS Brattain blow up. Other wise why would USS Enterpise D even try USS Main defector dish to free themselves form Tykens rift.

In Star Terk TNG "Night Terrors" They try used main defector dish to free themselves form the Tyken's Rift and fall. The fact they never even try to make USS BRattain exploded to try free themselves form the Tykens rift means one thing. That Defector dish sends out greater shoke wave then USS Brattain blow up. Other wise why would USS Enterpise D even try USS Main defector dish to free themselves form Tykens rift.

He's something else, isn't he? I guess they send only the best, huh?

DATA

When Tyken was trapped in a Rift,

his analysis determined that a

massive energy release might

overload and dislocate the

anomaly. Fortunately, his cargo

included anicium and yurium, which

he used to detonate a massive

explosion. He then escaped

through the ruptured center of

the Rift.

GEORDI

(acknowledges)

But we aren't carrying anything

that could produce that kind of

explosion. Even our photon

torpedoes wouldn't be enough.Later they used the main defector dish This shows that the USS Entperise D main defector dish give off more power all photon torpedoes aboard the USS EnterpiseD. You can check scrip if you don not belive

In Star Terk TNG Relics the USS Enterprise D shields were getting hit by solar flares when they were in a Dyson Sphere. With their shields at only 23% .Fact Lt Worf said in three hours our shields no longer are able to protect use. According to NASA a solar flare can give off as much as the energy of billion megatons of TNT in just few minutes. This means the USS Enterprise D shields could with withstand full strength 80 billion megatons of TNT. If one of these solar flares going to hit the Earth by the way the Earth would be destroy.

First normal rang of fire that is 190,000km (photon torpedoes)~150,000km (phasers) according to Star Trek TNG "The Wounded" it if you do not believe me watch it. This is normal fire range for Nebula class starships. USS Enterprise may will have long fire range we do not know. So 150,000 km would suicide range for using main defector dish on USS Enterprise D. Meaning also when USS Enterprise fire that weapon best both world they would have been out of rang of major blasted.

Federation starships the able to fire at range of 40,000 km away from it target according to range TNG A Matter of honor. Check scripe did not believe me.

These lines scripe star terk best of both worlds part when they about talk using the main Deflector dish weapons.

SHELBY

Unfortunately, there is one slight

detail -- in the process, the

blast completely destroys the

Enterprise as well.

RIKER

(muses)

But if we could get far enough

away... increase the deflector

range...

SHELBY

(nods)

It could work. In the meantime,

we should retune all phasers,

including hand units, to the same

frequency.

Even if we are to agree that a Star Destroyer can withstand 1000 photon torpedoes before lose shields. UFP normal fire rang we have to guess what Shelby means by being to close. Saying blast 80,000km away would have to hit USS Enterprise-D with a force greater then 30 megatons that only star destoryer.net accord pro Star trek sites rang would be even greater. Also Star Destoryer no have all it shields to hold of this kind fire power as less 25 percent Star Destoryer would got hit by this weapon.

What about if Galaxy class starship deflector dish could destory a Star Destoryer. According to Star Terk best of both worlds it give more then all weapons put together in just a few seconds. I can not see Star Destoryer surival a ten secounds if a Galaxy class starship going us that weapon.

I give to the Redshirt/Goldshirt  any day. I however give more goldshirts the red shirts. Even if the stromtroopers can aim straight. It fact that Stromtroopers do to many suicide chargers to have any chance of winning a real battle. Federation red shirts / Gold shirt ensigns on the other known when to take cover. I never saw a stromtrooper duck. I have many times seen redshirt ensign and a goldshirt ensign duck.

I would also give it to the USS Defiant. Because Y wings take out with two hits by tie fighter. USS Defiant has to do fire photon torpedoes were longer number Y wings are then set off subspace detonator.