Jason

I do not think that hole has a rayshield protect it form harm.

Were would the Forty billion people from Starfleet come from. That Guinan was talking about. They need a lot of starships and a lot of foot soldier lose and a lot of space stations to lose that many people.

Not true read the this My link and you may be mistake by the Navigational deflector dish. Read this page to see why I think you are mistaken. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Navigational_deflector

Intrepidstarship not the sames a Galaxy class starships and no cannon evidince that it can split into. Also Galaxy class forward shields were at 58% full power few hours after using the Main Defector dish as a weapon.

That hole in the Death star has no mental in the way. I do not see the problem.

Both the saucer section and star drive had own shields generators. Because Saucer section can hold off a attack and buying time for Star dive to escape. Star drive has aft shields and some ventral shielding while to are together Saucer section hold forward and shields and some of ventral shielding.

I thinking that commandoes us the same spacesuit Mr. Spock used in Star Terk The Motion Picture how to get to that hole.Then clim into that hole once inside they place pattern enhancers beam in a photon torpodes into that hole and then beam selves back Defiant and Death Star would expoded.

I talking about commandoes not the Defiant. The Defiant has systems that make impossible for sensor got good lock on it. Other wise explain why the Dominion smell starship have such a hard time getting a lock on it.

According to that picture that shows Stardrive defector shields they do not seem go beyond middle part of Galaxy class starship. It would unlike cover very little if any part section saucer of a Galaxy class starship.

Turbolaser are not design to hit targets that smell and defiant class starship release them near that hole anyway. That problem solve the other interest point you make is they can not beam objects to a target. How is Caption Janeway going to transporter food and medical supplies and that baby back to the planet surface in that is the case in Star Tenk Voyager, "Friendship One" if Pattern enhancers can not help beam objects to the surface?

This is a picture of Star drive shields.

See why I do not buy your agruement. Go to this site http://memory-alpha.org/en/index.php?title=File:Galaxy_class_deflector_shield.jpg&limit=20&showall=0#filehistory

See why I did not buy your arguement.

See why I do not buy your agruement. Go to this site See why I did not buy your arguement.

I think about spacesuit Mr. Spock used in Star Terk The Motion Picture. If that kind spacesuit was to be used then it easily task to sending in that commandoes team. The commando team might be able to us Pattern enhancers to bring big photon torpedoes or they could carries smell Micro Photon torpedoes.

Words form GEORDI

Geordi said"Just the man I need.(to Riker)We're having problems with the aft shields... generators are

going on and off line... I could use your help, Worf... From the scrip it self.

You theory on feed back energy goes so far. The Saucer part of the Galaxy class starship has it own shields. The Star drive part of a Galaxy class starship has it own shields as will. What you did say about feedback damage internal to the ship explains why Galaxy class starship did not have any shields in it back because of it because Star drive did take a lot of damage. But forward shields were at 58% meaning something had to have damage the Saucer section of the shields.

Woah, this thread has become ridiculous...

 

First, the DS isn't nimble... At all...

 

Second, the Defiant isn't invulnerable... At all...

 

 

 

So while the Defiant may be able to fire at the vent, it may not be able to fire in the vent, again because if size issues.

 

So I still maintain that you need a small fleet of shuch ships to damage the DS.

 

 

 

Defiant vs Borg: this ship by itself wasn't designed to take on an entire cube, it was "optimized" to fight.

 

When they manufactured it, they thought of the Borg and figured a dedicated warship using the latest in weapons, shields and armor technology would greatly enhance Starfleet's capacity to fight the Borg...

 

So no, it didn't fail, it performs exactly as it should...

 

 

 

Tie fighters vs the Defiant...

 

They wouldn't even be able to scratch its paint, and while they may evade the Photorps (I'm sure they can, I agree Photorps aren't that maneuverable), they will not evade the Defiant's Pulse-Phasers, because the Defiant can fire-and-forget its torpedoes, and then amuse itself out-maneuvering the Ties and either firing at them or simply ramming them.

 

We are, after all, talking about paper thin hulls with weak/no shields...

 

 

 

Tricobalt devices...

 

Really, Jason, you've done the math that allows you to state with certainty that 20 Tricobalt devices would blow up the DS?

 

Just because 2 blew up the Caretaker's array, doesn't mean 20 will blow up a DS.

 

How big was the Carataker's array, compared to the DS?

 

How dense?

 

 

 

The Caretaker's array, when looking at still shots at Memory Alpha, looks about 6 times the width of Voyager.

 

The Intrepid-class is 355 meters long, so times 6, the Caretaker array is around 2100 meters wide, a far cry from the 120km of the first DS, and it is not a full sphere like the DS either.

 

I doubt very, very much that 20 Tricobalt warheads will destroy the DS.

 

They will do much damage where they hit, perhaps even do enough damage to the Superlaser's structure if fired at it, but they will certainly not blow up the DS...

That why I sugestin sending in a commandoes team armed few ant-matter mines see from star Terk Chain of command two. These weapons not big at all one person can easily carries one for them even in a spacesuit like what we saw in Star Trek First contact. .. Then all the commandoes have to do this throw them down the hole throw

Yes but there are so many fun ways to destroy the Death star with little hole in it when comes a Defiant class starship it would be to hard for the caption that starship to choose.

To me it seem long shot argument t that a storm trooper armor could stop phaser beam when it not even design for that. It like saying bullet proof vest will be able to stop a knife.

I differnt question the fact that the Federation had more of these spacecafts did not us them sugest that the Mars defense spacecafts were armed so kind warhead. Other wise why would have two things sticking out under neath them.

Now THAT's an interesting thought that while drunk I didn't think of heh.

Or the A defient class starship could also in thoey send commandoe team into that little hole and drop a little mine in thier to being that another blow up the Death star.

I could think another way Galaxy class starship could turn a ISD to ruins just use a few tricobalt devices

I could think simple way to make hole a lot bigger just us a few tricobalt devices. Then again if Defiant armed with these weapons kinds weapons in longer numbers there is no real need to go near that hole in the Death star. Ten or twenty of these weapons would blow Death star to bits.

That might make sense for the fact back shields off line. We also most remember that Commander Riker said that we had got damage to our shields and burn main defector dish and warpcore from using that weapon. It also would not take more 24 for hours for them to got back full shield strongth.

I only see tie fighters have a fighting chance stopping a Defiant class starship or any Federation starships for that matter if they waiting right near that hole on the Death star other wise it just issue speed. A Defiant class starship auto pilot could reach that hole in the Death star before tie fighter could even be launched. So they have to wait their way before this battle even take place. Other wise no time to luanch excape pode none or less try stop it with ties fighters.