Jason

When come just plan soldiers the US soldiers would slaughter them. Stromtroopers not stand a chance they such poor aim that Taliban terrorist have better aim. AT-AS the US tanks up task knock them out easily out actions. Biggest problem would be the AT-AT which problem. Not know force need knock down perhaps longer rank artillery could do job. Speed bikes sniper more then up task.

Thaleron weapons were not put into relatively wide use until the 25th century, so no.

UFP had no reason us it before 25th century if even.

Except that Tyranids don't use the Warp. They have a creature called a Narvhal which behaves like a Star Trek warp engine: http://wh40k.lexican...al#.TwKO-tRSRec

Accord your source seem they take years even decade reach star system. I say that thalaron radiation like option UFP turn for follow reasons. First after Earth nearly whip out by thalaron radiation. UFP government would end ban research on thalaron radiation. Also Section 31 would like doing research have work thalaron radiation generation top secret bases.

No source I've ever seen, and I have two SW technical manuals at home (New Essential Guides to Vehicles & Vessels, and Weapons & Technology), as well as nine novels, and the Encyclopedia. Not to mention, founded on the Republic, the Empire would be hard-pressed to get those millions of ships, which were produced by various companies (Seinar Fleet Systems, Kuat Drive Yards, etc.) After all, the Republic was nearly bankrupted by the purchase of only 5 million clones. Not to mention the Death Star only having a crew of about a million, despite being utterly massive.

 

 

 

Although, if we allow "millions of ships" to include TIE Fighters, it's possible that they could have that many.

I think over simple-fining 5 million clones that on topic other clone Republic that episode. The Empire also have resources both sides of clone wars put together. They also allow slave labor allow starships cost less per ship. The Empire tie fighter cost less because did not have shield,life support or hyper drive mean both cheaper to build and maintain. Then of course moth ball fleet old star destroyer used during the Clone wars. I say Empire might have few thousand them survival he war. It possible Empire have few hundred thousand makeshift warship. All star destroyers that Empire used during that war rebel build after Clone wars. Again Empire might well have million warships problem is must of them make-sift warships. Problem 90% make-sift warships more design carry cargo then fight a war. If we going count them then UFP like has able million warships to just must make-sift warships as well. Empire sending hundred star destroyer not going to make that much different when come war

Oh. So you're saying that there would be 100,000 ships if the GE joined the UFP?

Yes

Of course it is a "stumped" argument because you're stumped to find a decent argument to reply. Yeah, the Federation is soooo advanced that Betazed, a majot Federation world was only defended by antiquated weapons platforms. You do not have any real proof to back you up whatsoever. You are making it all up.

It took Dominion 10 hours to overpower Batazed defense with no starship available to help them out by the way.We know nothing size ten fleet or what starship part of it. We know nothing about terms which Batazed force surrender. It could been great deal ground combat go on and space combat go for Dominion over power them. Ground base defense installations, planetary shields and combat ground vehicle be used both sides. Dominion took ten hours over power shield knock the ground base defense installation with help ground troops and artillery then they force to surrender. Or their could have been orbit defense plate forms Jem Harder bug ship rammed them in-till made hole defense then reach planet over power planetary shields over power them force surrender. It possible just had destroy space station for that matter. Since all we know took them ten hours to do it wild guess work to what happened. If wish see evidence took ten look part say history and look As a result Betazed fell to the Dominion within ten hours

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Betazed

Also come major world UFP could easily deploy cloak self replication mines fields around world turn them on sensors pick up the Tyranids fleet.

Also when come to thalaron radiation UFP had done research in past. if wish see evidnce go to this site http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Thalaron_radiation

go to history and uses and then find.

Because of its lethality, thalaron research was banned in the Federation.

Even in practice like phase cloak device thalaron radiation is illigle to study hardly stop section 31 doing research on it. Also UFP desperation might well try deploy it like weapon to defend it self.

I'm not saying *I* think that number is correct, I was just providing a quote from someone making a high end guess. My point was, even a high end guess is far less than what Jason is proposing.

I am not say number UFP had 100,000 starship normal timeline if SW Galactic Empire took UFP side I could see that happen again misunderstand on what I was saying.

No because the Empire would not wait around decades for the Feds to get their crap together. Once the Empire comes into play, the war will be short lived.

The Star War Empire able provide help like you suggestion out question follow reason first and for-must they still rebel maybe other outside threats to worry about. You think going send entire Imperial fleet to fight someone else war and be left skeleton fleet fight rebels and so other threats. Beside if Jem Harder wellness win war at all cost in could bug ship rammed star destroyers the Empire losing entire fleet worth star destroyers.It likely lead Empire be over power much early rebel. Yoda and Obi could well be once restart Jedi order have Empire gone this timeline if you put charge. Luke first jedi knight trained with Lisa and Death star never be completed.

That must stumped argument I ever heard. USA military base us tents and have must advance technology military equipment in World right now. You can not get more primitive then tents. While UFP colony as case to case basic on how colony look even saying true mean nothing at all. Also a good rick people choose home look part 18 century far design goes. They much more advance stuff anything I have available. I very modern day house for that matter. How loo tell millinery effective colony look is impossible and TNG tell even less since 24 century bunker look like tent when come holographic technology.

Wrong answer buttnuts. As atom said, Borg do not use photon torpedoes and there is no evidence that they use such tactics.

 

 

 

Lack of point defense weaponry will severely hamper the Borg's ability to eliminate any ships carrying boarding parties. The Borg lose hard. Worse than the Federation since at least the Feds are creative and can think of new tactics on the fly. The Borg? They stick to one proven method and keep repeating ad infinitum until the last drone is devoured.

 

 

 

You lose again.

Borg have been show the able chance tactic what fit interest when come assimilation other races. We never seen case were this tactic make much sense for Borg either. Fact Borg choose tactic batter rammed special 8472 ship choose to sneak aboard USS Enterprise E and choose to time travel as weapon UFP. Borg best of both world put something place stop transporting show they can chance tactics when fit interest. Plan assimilation Earth slowly another example changing tactics. Borg did not normal face race that beam photon torpedoes and us they do us weapon very much like photon torpedoes remember TNG Movie First Contact.

Well with SW Empire help the UFP could build 100,000 starships.

Borg beam photon torpedoes weapon ships blow Tyranids to hell

SW Empire allies UFP over Dominion. However hardly such important thing for reasons Dominion may-ways more powerful Empire. Not like Empire afford throw full weight into being with. Rebel other outside threat limmit man power and resource throw in. Not like the SW Empire total useless. Star War Empire great deal resource that UFP could build starships and star destroyer big enough act mobile shipyard. UFP might not need Romulus help or even Klingon for that matter with SW Empire. UFP fleet able to fight Dominion on it own. UFP fleet size of 100,000 starship since single Star destroyer about size of 10 Galaxy class starships. So UFP and Klingon SW Empire over run Dominion.

Er....the fact that a single ship's complement is 250 photon torpedos or something like that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't know, so therefore they must be awesome? That's stupid, much like everything else you type. Unless something changed drastically since DS9, Federation colonies won't last hours against even a trivial Tyranid invasion.

What evidence do have to back that claim of OK defense to say least. Since only example we get in DS9 colony defense along Klingon and UPF territory was Nor battle to strong. Which effective enough to stop Klingon us starship to provide fire support. Force them have to turn ground troops. settlements had shield to protect heavy artillery weapons klingon using. Why do you think shell stop because UFP knock place Klingon shelling hospital form.

Also UFP starship could like fit thousands photon torpedoes if they place cargo bays. Also do not now number photon torpedoes USS Enterprise D carries. At the espidoe they talk number had at the time.

Yes what stop UFP starship using transporter beam in hundredths if thausand of photon toropoodes and then just run away leave all captil starship destroy. Also UFP colony able hold out longer you think. We no next to nothing UFP colony combat able for when attack special after star Terk Nemesis. They might well be able hold weeks even months again massive attack.

Here's a typical timeline of how the Tyranids consume a world taken from the Lexicanum website. The 'Nids sneak in some of their own onto a planet and then they begin infest the local population and begin taking over. Usually by the time that they are noticed, it is too late to deal with them and then soon after the main hive fleet arrives. Notice that when the main Hive fleet arrives, it contains 1.5 BILLION crafts. Granted, only a small fraction are capital ships but it is enough to swarm Starfleet's entire fleet of ships.

First the the main fleet does even come in till 50 day so colony be around for at least 50 days. Fact they crush all resistance in 51 day of attack. So differnt between so it might few hours differnt between colony major planetary system.

No BS tech that has not been proven to be used by the Feds. transphasic torpedoes are alternate timeline technology with no canon evidence that it has been developed in the main timeline.

 

 

 

MINES ARE USELESS IN A THREE DIMENSIONAL ENVIRONMENT! It only worked in DS9 because they used it near the mouth of the wormhole. The Feds do not have enough time to manufacture billions upon billions of mines needed to encompass every single inhabited world in the UFP. It would be a waste of resources and energy for something that might not work on organic ships.

There is soft cannon evidence the UFP had used Star Trek Online. Also fact UFP fighting like 10 to 20 year war they come up all types weapon technology like chance tide of battle. UFP development and deploy red matter weapon to hurt the stop hive but that time.

In short, UFP loses.

First I have another piece evidence that cloak self republication mines could would had been phase cloaking device on them. Fact Dominion able location every last mine just destroy mine field. Just knock out all mines at once would have been one way doing so be not single mine self republication it self. Unless of course phase cloaked. Add more evidence back claim please go http://www.startrek.com/videos/star-trek-enterprise/all/full/episode go to all find the video These Are The Voyages and go communication till 23 minute and and 55 seconds till Liston part were It outlaw cloak device on Starfleet vessels. What he means by vessel he must like means interstellar vessels.

So one hive would take mouth to total digestion a world. UFP has over 1,000 colonies and 150 major worlds. Give 20 years able to destroy about 240 worlds. Must worlds would be UFP colony and maybe few major worlds. By that time UFP have Transphasic torpedoes weapon that make quick work at any the Tyranid warships and ablative generators to protect against weapons. Of course put amount time it took alter timeline as form logic using. Of course the Federation get must stuff a lot sooner since UFP fighting a war of survival. The ablative generators might available as early first 5 years conflict. UFP might be using transphasic torpedoes during the being of this conflict since might save last option weapon against the Borgs.

The warhammer40k wiki also has megameter battleships that are crewed by billions. If it took years to get into a system then half the shit in the Ultramarines Space Marines Codex would never have happened in the time-frame it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Federation was still fucking up with unstable phase cloak prototypes well into the 2380s, so that's a most definite no.

The warhammer40k wiki also has megameter battleships that are crewed by billions. If it took years to get into a system then half the shit in the Ultramarines Space Marines Codex would never have happened in the time-frame it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Federation was still fucking up with unstable phase cloak prototypes well into the 2380s, so that's a most definite no.

I am going ask simple question was Space Marines fighting the Tyranids in that book or were fighting other groups or both. Because space marine form that site us warp a differnt form of travel thent he Tyraniads http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warp

If that is the case not cannon vs cannon then it issues we to debate cows come home if not. Then UFP able to do hit run attack for both research and to try slow down and they can learn form these attacks. Both developing more effective tactics and design more powerful weapons to handle with and test out in live fire. By time they reach the star system development rate of UFP when fighting Dominion anything they have lot power starships once better design to fight these kind wars.

Also sooner or latter UFP having work phase cloaking device they had one by 31 century. Denial used device allow him walk though walls.

I'm not saying they won't have the hearts to do it. I'm just saying they won't work. Tyranid bio-ships (though not ground organism mind you) managed to not only adapt to the life-eater virus (an omni-phasgic super-virus capable of turning the surface of entire worlds into flammable mush in a matter of hours), but came back a week later and sent the very same thing right back at the Imperial ships that tried it. Borg nano-probes are enthusiastic amateurs by comparison.

 

 

 

In any case, having the time to manufacture these nano-probes on a large scale means they survived and managed to hold off the hive-fleet for a sufficient period of time, which they won't.

Thier other major problem Tyranids would have the speed they travel at. If UFP unlikley UFP colony had contact with them in 2379 just after Star Terk Nemisus. Since Tyranids are limit much slower light speed in a star system gravity. So voyage form reach colony or star system take years even decades. If wish see go to this site and read http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Narvhal.

So let say take Tyranid three years which me nice still UFP by time reach the any major star system.UFP have starship phase cloaking device and phase cloak mines drop starship dephase they go off elimiation fleet before the third year.

Weren't plasma weapons suggested as an effective anti-Borg weapon?

Plasmas weapon in practice useless against the Borg also two not show piece of evidence that the Borg could assimilation some Tyranids.

In practice on way or other Tyranids going to get stop if UFP does heart us mean required it because likely Klingon cardassion, Dominion well.

Even if those things worked (they wouldn't), the Tyranids don't really care. The UFP could slay thousands without putting a dent in their numbers.

In practice on way or other Tyranids going to get stop if UFP does heart us mean required it because likely Klingon cardassion, Dominion well. Beside more convents the UFP able handle push come sover section 31 not blow to do genicide besides see microscopic robots can kill the special 8472 . Section 31 like just kidnapped one to design borg mirscopic robot need to kill them. please do not tell me they do have hearts to do it.

Ok let chance one factoer they attack colony and then being attack other UFP colonies do think UFP going set watch do it or deploy cloak self republication mine fields to stop invasion and adapt other weapons could more effect when comes fighting the Tyranids like thalaron radiation.

Still not enough to defeat the 'Nids and also there's a limit to how much a drone can adapt to a weapon. Could a drone be able to withstand a bio plasma attack from a huge carnifex?

Enigma your guessing Borg do not have ground combat vehicles. We never seen Borg invold in ground combat that Borg collective was involved in. Yes were TNG episode were some free drone carry out attack UFP outposts and part searching Data away team get caught. They real very smell number drone available in that episode few hundred maybe few thousands compare Cube carries millions drones it possible only cube carry ground vehicles. After deal specail 8472 it likley if Borg did not have ground vehicles they started to build them.