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Q desides to thow two againist each other. Galaxy X class starship power phaser chrew Death star up.

Explain why Klingon not using photon toropodoes they must effective weapon coming after decloaking.

How about lower cannon to add to debate C cannon both groups meaning Star Terk fans allow us Star Terk online and Star Terk online needs of the many. Star War fans allow us books to add flavor to debate.

I found another reason why fact BOP during Star Terk yesterday Enterprise the lack using photon torpedoes is evidence they losing war. The photon torpedoes more design weapon used because not take energy out of main power systems. Which make very effective first shot weapon just after de-cloaking. Energy base weapon take much more power then projectile weapons like photon torpedoes. Fact Klingon Caption fire photon toropodoes first during Search for Spock after decloaking is evidence own right. Also if wish see evidnece the fact BOP fire instead it decloak watch this video form 5 minute and 53 seconds to about to 6 minute. Get the first shot after decloaking can be meaning of life or death and victory or defeat.

On Death star 1 R2-D2 turn of garbage systems to save Luke and rest gang form crush alive. It not intellegnece Date show R2-D2 can get job done lot faster no codes involved

Five years ago R2-D2 turn of garbage systems to save Luke and rest gang form crush alive.

That unlikely R2-D2 know must codes that Vader would use easily guess. Because that was the case Rebel would known trap during Return of Jedi with fact that they able go right all topic secret commutations.

Problem social engineering fact R2-D2 trying get information computer system not trying to deal people. Social engineering requital trick people get personal information or spying people get personal information or other ways like having spy bank get some Social security card number. R2 D2 deal computer system particle only computer system. It is unlikely social engineering work in that. Beside R2 D2 sometime take few minutes to try over come computer systems.

Who known maybe Tauntauns are native to Hoth they survival on Hoth.

Still R2-D2 need to be allow to guess the password might guess password over million times depend long it is laugange written. For example say password 4222. Basic 9 diffenrt numbers each number written 4 time. 9^4=6561 possibility. Add possible letter as will number 26^4 =1500625. Empire security systems lack lock maybe 10 guess like some other chat sides then wait fifteen minutes tell you can try again extremely. Must major codes need both voice code and numbers. I duobt R2-D2 able play type game Starfleet starship major computer systems.

More information Imperial intelligence able watch video form 4 minute 21 seconds to about 7 minute and 11 seconds. It example Imperial intelligence or spies for Empire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZ-1apIeYE&feature=related

Yes Empire computer allow someone to try nearly few million time in till give right answer. After that robot fifth try the computer block R2-D2 or at least gave shock.

I wounder type debates this movie for Aliens vrs Star Trek or Star Wars.

Fact R2-D2 give enough time could have open the those blast doors on that Imperial base during battle Endor if was not for that stromtrooper disable R2-D2 first single shot blaster. Suggestion Empire has no defense against astronomic droid and rebel no lack of them. If you wish see evidence watch this vidoe form 6 minute 38 secounds to about 6 minute and 48 seconds. [m http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJAwHSnGUnk&feature=related By way it may true Astronomic droid can can break computer codes quickly that danger weakness Empire intelligence fact did that high security military base though out Empire. We seen tircorder by way over come codes as will very fast and be able link computer systems.

I have more evidence weak Star War Empire intelligence weakness fact R2-D2 able get information Empire disable Hyper-drive accessing computer terminal. If wish see evidence watch this video form 5 minute and and 5 seconds to about to about 5 minute and 16 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eEwDTHeYaU&feature=related Across fact Empire could depend themselves find the Millennium Falcon they need hire bounty hunters.

So rebel did information about Death star existed though force it no evidence get blue print Death star thought force. My link That across guessing Force Unleash is G cannon

In practice no cannon evidence that they learn about Death star though force. For that matter at least as far books at least two different stories on how they get death star plans.All Movies tell us is they get it. My link My link

With information all three movies thing get good idea Empire intelligence strength and weakness are. Empire strength seem very effective at using spies that pretend to spies for the rebel but really work Empire. Both the New Hope were Empire able know what stole information was aboard Leia ship and were able to lead rebel right into trap at least two example of Empire seem us spies pretend work for rebel. Empire strict back show the Empire learn mistake death star upgrade able search rebel base us probes and that the Empire has spies all worlds in star systems.

Put aside the Empire failer to find rebel base the fact Rebel able steal topic secret blue print for the first Death star is massive failer when come ground classified information. First death star the Empire did not just let them steal it form them. Fact rebel able to spies deep with in Empire intelligence like Jan Ors My link Hardly show Empire contour intelligence effective fact UFP intelligence has by infiltrate some Romulan star Empire and Cardasson Union both known have agency very effective.

Then the Imperial intelligence great deal information Wookieepedia My link Also Empire has Imperial Security Bureau My link Basic put into simple terms these two intelligence agency job to spies on each other and enemies of the Empire as will carry assassinations mission. Not like either agencies something Starfleet command not handle before very effectively. UFP intellence basic get spies into the Dominion it self not in could fact also spies both Cardasson Union and Romulan star Empire way before Dominion war started. In practice USS Enterprise D scan 10 light years in 24 hours for starship other object. UFP thousand starships UFP much easily time keep eye Empire fleet movements. Neither Empire nor Rebel allies show anything like this able.

That not strong argument fact is Empire should had good number spies inside the Rebel Alliances at least few them should been in that secret rebel base . UFP get spies into Maquis it self. Maquis and Star war rebel Alliance in practice very smiler.

I never said Starfleet intelligence agency was perfect fact Dominion able launch surprise attack Betazed say that however Syria and Egypt catch Israel off ground during Yom Kipper war Mossade is best intelligence agency in Middle East. Dominion by way pretty good intelligence service on own right. The Dominion intelligence able infiltrate both Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar extremely effective intelligence agency. Empire nothing near level of effective enough otherwise they would crush Rebel like a unwanted bug. By way UFP intelligence even able infiltrate Dominion it self during Dominion war. Also the way Rebel brought Empire down happen good part do good intelligence. Also fact Empire could find Rebel base need let heroes escape and fact need probe find other rebel base show very poor intelligence ability.

Any case UFP intelligence is much better Empires intelligence . Part reason Rebel able stand up Empire was because very good intelligence. That might be another major factor in the war which sadly does not get talk about. In pratice UFP far militery power goes out does Empire every possible way as far unit for unit.

I will disagree with idea Empire having a fighting chance against UFP. As far as I can tell Empire shield depend vaporizer sold object fly into them. UFP photon torpedoes can withstand heat inside a star core for few seconds. Empire shield unlikely able deliver heat need destroy them. So far Empire goes I think a single Galaxy class starship taken on at least 15 star destroyer at a time. Galaxy class starship fire 15 photon torpedoes at once few five from behind and 10 in forward.

Simple easily star destroyer shield unless come to stopping photon torpedoes. Fact photon torpedoes shield have the shield strong enough go star core and save few seconds say all. Star destroyer shield seem depend vaporizing sold object way stopping them.