Praeothmin

The way I understood it was that the "gravitic sensors" weren't widespread, and came back out after Thrawn started using the cloaks he found. Plus, gravitic sensors would not detect a ST cloaked ship, since standard gravitic sensors are on all the ships. How many times have they sweeped for gravitons, or verified the gravity of a certain planet or some spacial phenomena? Still, they can't detect cloaked ships all the time, even with these sensors... I still don't believe for one second the Defiant could beam the torpedo in the reactor room, because it would need to beam through 60km of armor and bulkheads to do it, and ST transporters have always had issues with transporting through dense materials of some thickness (like 1 or 2 km of rocks, etc...). As for the reactor core, I doubt a standard Photon Torpedo would fit through the 2 meter wide aperture with its shields... So, no, I do not for an instant believe that a single Defiant could destroy the DS. A fleet of Defiant could damage it enough to stop it from firing on a planet (temporarily) by damaging the Superlaser's output port, at the cost of many ships, but not destroy it...

Also, I agree, in view of what we read, that the "Strom-Throwing" Emperor could beat the incarnation of Chtulu that was presented, up until he died and then Chtulu would reform and go somewhere else to be "entertained"... But if we are talking about the Movies Palpatine, I doubt he would do much more then aggravate Chtulu with his lightning, and all Chtulu would need to do is tear Palpy apart with his claws... Unless Palpy isn't too arrogant and realizes that he needs his Lightsabre to cut up the great beast in front of him...

If you read my post, I said that I used the "Fragmentation" definition, thus using the lowest yield possible in the calculations. Agreed. It still doesn't explain the collapsable nature of the asteroid's passage... Agreed, this episode does indeed show a lower limit, thus the higher limit may be much higher then what is seen. In enterprise, Photon torpedoes are clearly showed to be of variable yields (Archer orders them fired at 50% power), and in many ST episodes, we know the torpedoes have to be "armed" before they're fired. Perhaps "arming" the torpedoes doens't just mean "shove them in the tubes before firing", in fact, since the yield is variable, it probably means "shove them in the tube while injecting sufficient M/AM for the desired yield before firing". I've read it, and I have a couple of issues with it. First, the scaling has always seemed wrong to me. The asteroids are scaled using a 40 meter long MF, while the majority of the SFX shots show the MF to be no more then 25-30 meters long. Second, the shots could have been fired by an HTL, because the angle of certain shots are too ambiguous to affirmatively say they've been fired by MTLs. Some of them seem to come from the top of the ISD, and the original ICS only shows HTLs on top. As for the "vaporisation", I don't intend to dispute it, because to me the asteroids have always seemed to be vaporised too... And anyways, the page calculates low to medium Kilotons for these asteroids, in fact the highest number I remember from the page was about 250 Kilotons, the equivalent of the lowest value for one Photon Torpedo. Are you talking about individual cannons, or batteries? Even so, their ROF never showed anything more then one shot per second per battery, while the E-D can fire 4 torpedoes per second (and in fact it can fire bursts of 10 torpedoes, as seen in "Encounter at Farpoint")... First, allow me to remind you that I am simply disputing the "low Firepower" fallacy that was vehiculed about "Pegasus", I'm not discussing any higher showings, so the BDZ, which still has its interpretation and conclusion in doubt, doesn't belong here... This statement is accurate in the mentality comparison of the two universes, but only when comparing the Empire with the Federation. Klingons and Romulans aren't peace loving hippies, the Borg aren't either. And no, SW's private corporations could not kick the Federation's ass at all, they just don't have the ships or the Firepower... Again, you go off in a tangent that has nothing to do with my post. Yes, I believe the Empire would win against the Federation alone, or even the Fed, Romulan and Klingon Empire, if only because of the DS. But that war would be a costly one, and would leave the Empire decimated and incapable of fighting off the rebels if it waged such a war, so it would be in its best advantage not to...

He couldn't kill Luke very quickly, his lightning didn't seem that powerful in the fact that Luke still had enough strength to cry out for his father for almost a full minute before Vader killed Palpy. The three Jedi he killed, I could have killed easily too, they were standing there waiting for him to strike... Seriously though, I meant a whimp compared to the "Force-Storm" throwing Palpatine...

He was indeed, except for the fact that, after the ramming incident, he was regenerating and reforming himself One has to wonder how many such storms could the Emperor whip up... Also, how did the Emperor succeed in becoming so powerful in the EU, when he was shown to be such a whimp in the RotJ and RotS?

The Malevolance was crippled when her Ion watchamacallit was destroyed, which caused overloads all over the ship. The Y-Wing themselves did little damage aside from that, and the Malevolance didn't seem too threatened when they were firing elsewhere on the ship... Frigates in TCW seem to blow up with ease, since even Walkers, which have shown less then stellar firepower in AotC, RotS and TCW, were able to damage them in the asteroid field in TCW... And no Y-Wing even came close to "blow-up" the DS, and while they intended to do it, it was certainly not due to their firepower, but because of a small "exhaust port" that lead directly to the DS's reactor. The Defiant is heavily armored, and has no such "weakness"... Analysis failed...

Well, Chtulu is one of the "Great Old Ones" (seen in Wikipedia) I don't think that Palpatine's Force Storms are going to be much of a threat against him...

If you're talking about a Force-Wielding Vader, I agree (JMS's super Khaless not-withstanding) that the fight is over pretty quickly (and I gave the fight to Vader in my first post)... The way Qui-Gon was going through the blast-door on the Federation ship in TPM, Lightsabres do seem to work by DET, and it is mostly heat. So heat-resistant alloys should indeed prove useful if facing a non Force-wielding opponent...

So... Can we ignore the "Ignore This" thread now, or must we continue to acknowledge that we must ignore it?

Actually, having done some Fencing in College, I'm sure I could use one properly too (although I do believe I have Force Precog sometimes, I always knew when my ex was going to be angry at me in advance )...

While Warsies will finally accept the ICS as being inferior in Canon to movies and TCW when they see that episode...

The Thread did not specify which Khaless was meant, therefore JMS's analysis may be valid. One thing that had me thinking though: What material is the Bat'Leth made of? Would it be able to resist a Lightsabre blade for one or two hits before being cut? Still, I think the most likely fight would be Khaless the Clone vs Vader the Cripple, so Vader with Force powers still wins... Without though, remember that it supposedly takes Jedi powers to properly wield a Lightsabre without cutting yourself with it. The weapon may be more dangerous to Vader then to Khaless...

Or logic, for that matter...

Oh, so they did a "Bush-Job" for Obama this time...

Yeah, but then we, the general public, wouldn't know we need to ignore something. So we would wallow in double-ignorance, as Socrates would say, and that is worse then simple-ignorance...

Seriously? Probably the majority of the American voters would be my guess, since he was elected, y'know, President of the USA...

Which proves exactly how stupid B&B were. That connection would have saved the show, I tell you... "Sam, Ziggy says there's an 85% chance you're here to stop this "Temporal War" that's brewing, and save humanity... Oh, and there's about 0.001% chance you can bang the hot chick with pointed ears... She kinda reminds me of my second wife... Or was it the third?"

One thing that's got me wondering: If Zombie Stormtroopers exist, do they retain their abhorrent aiming capability? In other words, if they amble towards you while repeating "Braaaiiiiinnnnsss", and for some reason they catch you, will they bite you in the butt while aiming for your head?

I'm more partial to CCR myself...

Wait a minute, RayCav, we know for a fact that the SW Galaxy hasn't been fully explored. Who's to say there isn't a planet full of Force-Sensitive Zombies somewhere in the unexplored regions? KJA could even write it with Karen Traviss to make sure it's interesting...

Whoops, my bad... But, as I said, I agree that the movies trump all, but the T-Canon means the CW are of higher canon then the ICS, so those're two different higher canons that disagree with the ICS yields...

There, re-fixed it for ya...

Well, the problem with this link is that the CW series weren't out at that time, so they're not included. Re-read your first paragraph, where it mentions G-Canon as being anything made by Lucas. Lucas himself was on the CW's production team, so if it's not G-Canon, it is certainly close to it, and definitely above the ICS in Canon importance...

Really? They haven't been shown at all to be more powerful in the OT, IMO. The ships are bigger, and the HTL are surely more powerful then the MTL, but nothing indicates Starfighter weapons are more powerful, or personnal weapons, so I see no reason to believe that Turbolasers of size X in the OT are more powerful then the identically-sized ones in the PT. In fact, we've seen nothing in the OT that wasn't done as well in the PT. In the PT, we have weapons that, while ship sized, are capable of destroying a cruiser in one shot. The only thing we've seen capable of doing that in the OT is the DS2's Superlaser... And keep in mind that there's only been a span of 20 years between the two Trilogies, and judging by the slow technological advances in SW, 20 years shouldn't show us any leaps and bounds...

You may be right...