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A couple of thoughts. One is that the bolts did not just overpenetrate the ship, they also penetrated so deeply into the crust that their effects would not be immediately felt. There may be later climate / geological impacts from opening very deep, if very narrow fissures in the crust in the city. The city may later need to be evacuated due to new volcanic activity.

The issue with that is that if they started penetrating the crust, the material in front of the bolt still has to go somewhere. You'd see a gigantic explosion anyway just from the displacement of material. 

Star Wars: 30 seconds from surface to orbit, lunar orbit in minutes, the Death Star appears to have been perhaps at lunar orbit when it fired on Alderaan

My theory is that due to the slower nature of turbolasers, as well as the fact that they're pretty much the single most power capital ship weapon availible, closing to well within a few dozen kilometers or less becomes pretty much necessary even if ships can go incredibly fast. It would just be impractical and nobody would ever accomplish anything. Like Brian said though, it could also be an issue of the way turbolasers interact with shields at range. 

Star Trek: same day in system travel at impulse speeds demonstrated a few times (ST1 was discussed previously), warp speed combat maneuvers in TOS and USS Phoenix took out a Cardassian ship from 300,000 km at one point

From what I saw in the warp speed combat scenes posted by Brian, maneuvering to line up a shot took waaay more time, and then the rate of fire consequently suffered. I imagine ships would probably find it more convenient to simply drop to STL speeds and let the other guy have it whilst tanking the return fire as best as possible. I believe Sisko's son also mentioned that excessive maneuvering at warp caused could cause stress on a ship's frame. As to why they close to knife-fighting ranges when at STL, I might attribute that to jamming or something.

So what is your personal preference for dealing with these issues?

My preference is to rationalize and reconcile perceived contradictions where possible.

Actually one thing I learned not too long ago is that the Death Star is apparently capable of tanking it's own superlaser at full power, so even assuming everything went according to plan and the Death Star did nothing to acknowledge or destroy the attackers then the asteroid would just splatter across it's shields like a firecracker hitting a tank.

Not to be a nosey nelly, but um, what did he....y'know......do?

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I'm not entirely clear on the concept of warp strafing. Is it the idea that ships can fight at FTL or that they can attack STL targets while at warp?

One way it might possibly work is if the DS is charging up it's superlaser and the attack is perfectly timed. Assuming it can't just jump to hyperspace while charging the main weapon, Starfleet might have a window of opportunity, if only for a few seconds.

An interesting plan, but it has a few critical flaws. First, in order to succeed, the plan requires that the DS does not simply detect and obliterate the asteroid before it even comes within so much as a lightsecond. This is extremely implausible for obvious reasons, so you'd need a lot of ships towing a lot of asteroids to have any hope of getting past it's superlaser.

Unfortunately this entails problems of it's own. Once it becomes apparent that the superlaser isn't going to be able to intercept every single projectile, a fleet of warships, along with swarms of fighters are going to be dispatched to intercept the rest. Starfleet would need to send an escorting fleet somewhere in the hundreds to possibly thousands (depending on where you stand on the firepower issue) to have any hope of getting through.

Now then even assuming you've done all this, the DS still has the option of simply jumping to hyperspace and evading danger, like it has from the start.

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I think it's early on in the book, and even then, Tarkin mentions that the Empire has "a million systems". Considering that there are fifty million stars within a one thousand light-year distance from our Sun, you could easily fit a million stars within a relatively small space, especially if the world they're centered around (Coruscant) is closer to it's galaxy's core.

 

 

 

The ANH novelization also states that the SW galaxy is a "modest-sized galaxy". However, we know that the SW galaxy is a spiral galaxy, and spirals tend to have a diameter between 50,000 and 150,000 light-years. Our own Milky Way is 100,000 light-years across. From this info, we can gather that the SW galaxy would be about 60,000 light-years across.

OUR galaxy is also considered 'modest sized' FYI.

Well, considering novelizations of the FILMS are considered G canon, and tabletop RPGs are actually in a level below C-canon, I'm going to go with the novelization.

It's not that cut and dried actually. Anything that explicitly appeared in the films is G-canon, but stuff that was added in that we didn't see or hear is still C-canon.

Where'd it say that, and why is it somehow more canon then other stuff?

Just so we're on the same page here, what source claims millions of warships for the Empire? I see a reference in Wookiepedia, but there is no source listed. Preferably something more reliable than a comic book or a tabletop RPG, please.

I believe it comes from rough extrapolation based on the average size of sector fleets and their composition. Though needless to say, star destroyers only make up a tiny fraction of that total number.

True. However you realize you're both right, don't you? Lucasfilm's canon policy and George's statements about the EU really do fit together. This is George's franchise. Period. He does with it what he wants. He lets Chee and others play in his sandbox, and produced what amounts to officially sanctioned fan fiction. However, when George wants to add something to his story, he does it. Simply put, EU writers are supposed to make sure their writing is in harmony with what George puts out. (They don't always do it, as we saw with the EP 2 ICS and others) however, George doesn't have to clear a damn thing with anyone. Whenever he decides to do revisions on the films (like the Special Editions and the Blu-Ray versions) or when new episodes of TCW are produced, they by default steamroll anything in their way. Ryloth is a great example. An EU writer showed Ryloth as tidally locked. Years later, TCW showed Ryloth as being a standard rotating planet. Guess which one wins?

Well yes, G-canon has always superseded lower canon. What else is new? What Picard is trying to say is that the EU is not canon at all, which is demonstrably false as we have multiple quotes from Lucasarts employees flat-out stating that it is.

Which is why when someone is debating and they bring up an argument based entirely in the EU (especially dated or questionable EU sources) they had better back it up with G or T canon sources if they want to be taken seriously.

 

That makes no sense at all. What if I'm making an argument regarding the New Republic, or Thrawn, or the Yuuzhan Vong? How is anybody supposed to get G-canon or T-canon information on any of these things?

Accord your source seem they take years even decade reach star system. I say that thalaron radiation like option UFP turn for follow reasons. First after Earth nearly whip out by thalaron radiation. UFP government would end ban research on thalaron radiation. Also Section 31 would like doing research have work thalaron radiation generation top secret bases.

Thaleron weapons were not put into relatively wide use until the 25th century, so no.

And Battlefleet Gothic mentions that the ice rings of gas giants are things to be exploited in space battles. Meaning, the debris that makes up those rings can seriously damage ships. What's sad about this is that the ring material of gas giants is at most, the size of my house. (30 feet high, not counting basement).

And how exactly does it say that they're 'exploited'? Sailing vessels used to 'exploit' the fog to their advantage. Does that mean that sailing vessels were seriously damaged by fog?

If that was the case, then how exactly did the entire first Tyrannic war take place across multiple systems in the timespan of a year? If your quote was indeed the case, then the Ultramarines should have had decades to centuries to prepare for Hivefleet Behemoth.

Even though Tyranid vessels are considered weak by 40K standards. Which, depending on what stats and sources your using, could be anywhere from teratons to kilotons (the latest edition of Rogue Trader puts 40K firepower in the kiloton range).

Plenty of other sources peg it much higher too.

Possibly, although I highly doubt the Empire would commit that many ships to the conflict.

Again, according to the article, most of the damage was apparently from the field fucking with the ship's internal systems. Federation ships aren't going to be harmed by those sorts of temperatures on their own, let alone Tyranid vessels.

Maybe a little, but I doubt it. Most of the damage mentioned in that wiki seems to come from interference with critical systems. E.g. like shields and warp cores. The Tyranids have none of these, and the exoskeletons on their bioships can handle much greater temperatures then what the Enterprise or Kelvans faced (as seen every time a bioship lasts for more then a millisecond against a lance turret).

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That's not necessarily the question. Section 31 can generally be counted on to pull out all the stops regardless of what anyone else thinks. The real question is whether or not they can pull it off on the scale needed to make a difference.

If not, then more sensible option would be to organize a mass evacuation of as many Federation citizens as possible.

That must stumped argument I ever heard. USA military base us tents and have must advance technology military equipment in World right now. You can not get more primitive then tents. While UFP colony as case to case basic on how colony look even saying true mean nothing at all. Also a good rick people choose home look part 18 century far design goes. They much more advance stuff anything I have available. I very modern day house for that matter. How loo tell millinery effective colony look is impossible and TNG tell even less since 24 century bunker look like tent when come holographic technology.

So if I am understanding correctly........the UFP is 'advanced', so they win?