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Exactly what is Canon for the Grand Story?

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Alright, so here are the parts from Star Trek and Star Wars that are canon for the ASVS Grand Story.

Star Trek side:

Definitely Canon:

TV shows:
 - Star Trek: Enterprise
 - Star Trek: Discovery - Season 2
 - Star Trek: The Original Series (with the exception of "Spock's Brain")
 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
 - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
 - Star Trek: Voyager (with the exception of "Threshold")

Movies:
 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture
 - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
 - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 - Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
 - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
 - Star Trek: Generations
 - Star Trek: First Contact
 - Star Trek: Insurrection
 - Star Trek: Nemesis
 - Star Trek (2009) (The parts that take place in the prime reality, anyway, such as the destruction of Romulus)
 - Star Trek Beyond (The parts that were set up before the timelines diverged, such as the disappearance of the USS Franklin)

Video Games:
 - Star Trek Online (with the exception of the 29th century stuff, the Kelvin timeline stuff, and ya know what?  Just all time travel stuff.)

Literature:
 - Star Trek: To Reign In Hell - The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh
 - Pathways (the parts that aren't contradicted by the show, anyway)
 - Mosaic (again, see "Pathways")

 

Partially Canon/Canon in a "Broad Strokes" Way:
 - Star Trek: Discovery - Season 1

 

Mostly Non-Canon:

TV Shows:
 - Star Trek: The Animated Series (only the episode "Yesteryear" and the characters of M'Ress and Arex are canon for this story)

Movies:
 - Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (only McCoy's Pain is canon)

 

Definitely Non-Canon:

TV Shows:
 - Star Trek: Discovery - Season 3

Movies:
 - Star Trek Into Darkness

All Star Trek literature, comics, and video games not previously listed.

 

Uncertain (Canon Status to be decided once these works actually debut):

TV Shows:
 - Star Trek: Picard
 - Star Trek: Lower Decks
 - The Untitled Section 31 Series
 - The In-Progress Nickelodeon Cartoon

 

 

Star Wars side:

Definitely Canon:

Movies:
 - The Phantom Menace
 - Attack of the Clones
 - Revenge of the Sith
 - Solo
 - Rogue One
 - A New Hope
 - The Empire Strikes Back
 - Return of the Jedi

TV Shows:
 - Star Wars: The Clone Wars
 - Star Wars: Rebels

Literature:
 - A New Dawn
 - The "New" Thrawn Trilogy

 

Partially Canon/Canon in a "Broad Strokes" Way:

Movies:
 - The Force Awakens

TV Shows:
 - Star Wars: Resistance

Literature:
 - Pretty much the rest of the new Star Wars Expanded Universe

 

Mostly Non-Canon:
 - The Last Jedi (only a few planets and classes of starship are canon, regarding THAT movie!)

 

Uncertain (Canon Status to be decided once these works actually debut):

Movies:
 - The Rise of Skywalker

TV Shows:
 - The Mandalorian

 

A little thing to note, however, is that the firepower for the Star Wars side's ships has been boosted somewhat compared to canon.  And the reason for this is simple - so that it DOESN'T turn into an utter curbstomp in Trek's favor.  Stompfics are no fun to read, and we want to create a story that both Trekkies and Warsies can enjoy.

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Alright, given the developments in both Trek and Wars since this post was made (2 years already?  Jesus...), this will have to be... updated.  Quite a bit.

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That is quite tempting at times, I will admit.  However, having grown up with both TOS and TNG, it would be hard for me to throw THAT out.

Right now, what I'm thinking is this:

Trek Canon: Original Series, First four movies, Undiscovered Country, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Generations, and First Contact are definitely canon, with everything else being "pick-and-choose".  I.E., pick the worldbuilding elements such as events, characters, species, natural phenomena, and starship classes from the other series, movies, and video games that fit with the overall "feel", and disregard the rest.

Wars Canon: Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, The Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One, and Solo, along with the "Tarkin" and "Thrawn" novels.  Disregard the Sequel Trilogy, that was a floundering pile of pointlessness.

 

Obviously, starship weapons yields and the like will be "massaged", in order to prevent curbstomps.  Because stompfics like "Portal" and "Conquest" are, to be frank, at best boring, and usually just godawful.

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On 11/17/2021 at 3:02 AM, Khas said:

Obviously, starship weapons yields and the like will be "massaged", in order to prevent curbstomps.  Because stompfics like "Portal" and "Conquest" are, to be frank, at best boring, and usually just godawful. 

 

This is part of the reason I made the suggestion.  If you ignore the TNG-era, the debate suddenly becomes a lot more interesting, because instead of Voyager taking decades to get home, or kt-Mt torpedoes, you're looking GO24, or the "Obsession" AM change putting a decent-sized hole in a planet or the E-nil treating a 1000-ly trip as an inconvenience in "That Which Survives".

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